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Laura 0:40
and I'm Laura mazzotta, an Akashic therapist. Sit back, relax and receive as new insights enter your awareness during these illuminating conversations. Welcome to Episode 11 of divinely grounded today, we're going to talk about empathy as some bullshit. That's what we're going to talk about today. Because I had a reel that I recorded a long time ago, I don't know if it was a year or two ago that just blew up, and everybody loved it, and it was about empaths, and it was funny because Jenna was encouraging me to repost it, and I was like, I don't know if I want to repost it. I just don't know if I resonate with this word Empath anymore. And I obviously appreciate the concept of empathy and putting ourselves in somebody else's shoes, and really what that is, is just being curious, right? Being curious about other people and curious about the energy that arrives in our fields. But when we talk about being an empath, I find that it is used as an avoidance technique and an escape mechanism more often than not. And that's why Jenna was like, we need to record an episode on this. Because when she asked me to post it, I was like, Ah, I don't know, because I just feel like identifying it as an empath, there's a there's an element or a thread of disempowerment within that.
Jenna 2:24
Oh, that's interesting, because you're kind of outsourcing your emotion.
Laura 2:29
Yeah, because it's like, as far as I'm concerned, we're all empaths. Every fucking human being is an empath if they don't choose to empathize, or they don't choose to learn the skills to empathize, then, okay, but at at the core, in our purest form, we are all empathic. We're all empaths. Because what does that really mean? It means that I can feel the energy of the people around me. I can feel the energy of when somebody's in a mood, and I can feel the energy of the collective when shit goes down, like all of us can feel that. And I think that some of us decide to be in tune with it, and some of us don't. You can say, well, all right, well, empaths are the sensitive ones. Every single human on this planet has the ability to be sensitive. Yeah, I'm sensitive. Yes, you are sensitive. And the way that so am I in the way that it's defined, right? And obviously we can go into this whole thing about how sensitivity is, you know, spun to be bad, especially for children. Oh, you're too sensitive. All of this, you're too much blah, blah, blah. And I think that's where there can be a narrative that I see a lot that comes up with empaths. Well, I'm an empath, so that's why, and they use it is, well, I'm an empath, so I feel everything. And it's like, that doesn't mean that you get to not set boundaries and take responsibility for your own emotional experience like, Oh, I'm an empath. I feel all of their shit. And it's like, or you could set some fucking boundaries and regulate your nervous system and take responsibility for the fact that you actually get to feel however the fuck you want.
Jenna 4:14
I like the feelings that you have around this.
Laura 4:17
That's the disempowerment piece. It's like, dude, and don't get me wrong, yeah, people affect us and shit, you know, but like, again, we're all empaths. People affect us. But then it's like, that's my responsibility to be in presence with Whoa, Laura, Mazzotta, you just got Whoa, what's going on in you that that rocked your world a little bit?
Jenna 4:36
Yeah. As opposed to just being like, Oh, I'm an empath,
Laura 4:40
Right. Because for me, it's like that's an invitation. Like, if you find yourself saying on that path, recognize the invitation is the invitation to set a boundary, so that this energy is not something that because do you desire this energy? Is this a desire? An energy you desire to cultivate? Is it when you desire to desire to embody, to integrate? Is. The one you desire to become more of, right? And if the answer is yes, then then go nuts, absorb like a fucking sponge, right? And allow that to support your unfolding embodiment to who you're becoming. But if it doesn't, then it's like being present with that. And it's like, this is like the resonance piece that we were talking about in episode two. It's like, you know, be in presence with the textures of of what you're feeling, instead of being like, Oh, well, I'm just a victim to anything that comes into my field, because I'm an empath, and so I absorb shit.
Jenna 5:35
Yeah, it doesn't just stop there.
Laura 5:37
No, and that's where I want you to buy the book. Rise, sister. Rise, right sister, rise like, Let's fucking go. Step into like you get to create the environment within your skin, within your energy field that you desire to taste, to drink and to immerse more in.
Jenna 6:03
I really want to, like replay the real right now. Go ahead do it to see what ticks in you when you hear it now, because I think you need to feel the energy of that. Okay…
Laura 6:17
Here’s a little love note for you, empath. Just focus on receiving. Stop focusing on giving or reciprocity. You already have giving down. If you're an empath, this is part of your blood. It's part of your energetic blueprint. You already have that very well established for empaths, when you open up to intentionally receive on a consistent basis and stop focusing so much on giving, you're automatically going to give way more than you would have if you did so intentionally, because you're riding the waves of the receiving energy, this is going to free up so much space in your field and prevent burnout and resentment and the need to feel this level of forgiveness for others and for yourself as you continue to serve your mission on this planet.
Jenna 7:08
Okay, can we talk about your face throughout this entire thing? First, the disgust, yeah, you didn't like it. The overall message of receipt, though, is good.
Laura 7:21
It's really meant for all humans, and it's meant for for humans who are intentionally of service. That's -
Jenna 7:31
Tell me what really bothered you in that
Laura 7:33
I just feel like it's like, well, if you're an empath and you already give, and it's like, well, if you're, if you're somebody who intentionally gives to others, you don't have to identify as an empath in order to to receive that message. And just really, you know, open yourself to receive more from the Divine, from other people. I think that that's really, it's also a message for people pleasers, right? And I think that a lot of people who identify as empaths identify as people pleasers, and that's why they abdicate their setting boundaries, because it's like, yeah, well, I'm, you know, I'm sensitive, and I absorb these things, and there's nothing I can do about it, rather than taking the reins of, hey, this is a pattern that I'm witnessing within myself of over giving, right? It's, there's, it's a micro shift around it. It's like, well, I'm recognizing this pattern of over giving. So it's not just okay, let me set boundaries and adjust that and nourish myself first. But also, where can I intentionally go out to receive, to request receipt from other people, not just to allow receipt, but to request it, to invite it, to reach for it. You know, that's kind of where we can stretch. And I think that anybody who feels this, this genuine service to humanity, is going to err on the side of of giving over receiving, unless they're Jesus Christ or people who really have really beautifully embodied this relationship with the divine before they've done really intentional service. How is this feeling,
Jenna 9:20
It feels like you have a new reel.
Laura 9:23
I'm busy.
Jenna 9:25
Yeah, I think it just sounds like you don't necessarily have a problem with empathy as it exists. It's the container that people put themselves in when they label themselves as an empath.
Laura 9:37
Correct. I also think that, like I think that people can empathize so much with other people and allow so much of their energy in that they bypass themselves. And I think that's what pisses me off about it too, because it's like we can, like empathy is natural. Role. And, you know, let's not get into the conversation about psychopaths and sociopaths. Okay, we can have -
Jenna 10:05
I, I almost did it in the last episode.
Laura 10:07
We can talk about sociopaths and psychopaths another day. But, you know, empathy is something that is truly natural, and it is. It's not something to judge yourself on when you're empathic toward a particular person or group of humans or community and don't naturally feel it toward another like that doesn't mean that you're not overall empathic. You are. It's just that you're naturally drawn to the things you're drawn to. We've talked about this in a previous episode, right? And so it is giving yourself permission to just know that you're empathic and it is done, and to be sure that you are not bypassing empathy for yourself, your own experiences and the multiple layers of you that show up to be seen, because you're taking on other people's shit, or because you're empathizing. You're so focused on empathizing with other people and serving other people that you're, you know, bypassing your own self responsibility, self love, self nourishment.
Jenna 11:18
Yeah, it feels like the biggest invitation for a self identified empath is empathizing with yourself. Yes, you know they like to tout it, because it's like, no, look I care about people. Like, look at how much I can identify with other people. Look at how self aware I am to be able to do this, but it's like, Are you really that self aware? Because Are you empathizing with you? It's proving energy.
Laura 11:46
Instead of just being in presence with yourself. It feels very mind based. Natural empathy is a sensation and a genuine feeling and a softening that you have in the presence of another or a situation. And when we say put yourself in somebody else's shoes, it's like you're you're visualizing yourself, you're thinking yourself there. You're trying to put yourself in their position. And I think that's where this nuance of empathy is rubbing me the wrong way and inviting a shift, because I think that really what we're we're not meant to, quote, unquote, put ourselves in somebody else's shoes in terms of a scenario. Instead, we are just meant to soften our hearts and feel into the sensation of another person's energy, where we are drawn, where we are invited. And that is when empathy naturally arises. It's not a choice, it's just it naturally arises because we're in felt sense, with experience, we're in presence, with ourselves, with the energy and with anybody or a situation that's in our field. And as we naturally feel, we come to understanding, and the understanding of that other person and the understanding of the shoes that they're in arrives from the sensation of them. So it's really empathy is bullshit, because really what it is is presence, if you're fully present with yourself, others and your and your life scenarios that show up and you have discernment around that resonance that we've talked about early in earlier episodes, then empathy automatically arrives. It's not even really a thing. All it is is just a labeled byproduct of sensation, which comes from a very loving presence with yourself and humanity and the human experience fucking done man and in that this is why that real pisses me off, because or feels archaic to me, even though it was in 2023, two years ago from the timing of this episode, because it's not about giving or receiving, because Natural empathy arrives from being in presence with the organic Energy Exchange, which automatically operates as giving and receiving. If empathy comes forward for you naturally, it's because you've already been in receipt and because you've already offered your own presence.
Jenna 14:37
This was beautiful. I just loved sitting and listening to this.
Laura 14:42
I really appreciate you offering me the space to just go off on this topic that was agitated. I still feel agitation with this. It's making me upset.
Jenna 14:53
Why? Ah, are you mad that like you had identified this way?
Laura 14:59
Hmm, there's probably a thread of that in there, because that's what it feels like. It makes me feel nauseous, really, yeah, like I feel gross in my body. And it just.. You know what it is. It is a- and friends please take notes on this, because this is how it's very effective to move through these sensations and feelings when they come up in your body. We're doing this in real time. - So for me, it's like, you know what it is? It is, ew, God, that that was victim me. God, I was in a victimy space. So I'm judging myself for being in a victimy space, and I'm kind of like, ewwww
Jenna 15:45
It felt like a lot of judgment of self.
Laura 15:48
Yeah and it felt enabling, like I was enabling people to not take hold of and take responsibility for their their power, their their conviction, and who they desire to be, and what they desire to feel, and how they desire to resonate. Like we all have the power to do that.
Jenna 16:11
But look at how much that real blew up. And I say that to say a lot of people were in that same space.
Laura 16:16
Yes, that's true, which is speaking to the energy at the time
Jenna 16:20
exactly, which speaks to the energy of the time, and then look at where you are now,
Laura 16:24
and that's true too. That's that's a real reminder of feeling the collective energy you know, you know, and serving the collective in that moment, yeah, and when we're tapped into that consciousness, because we reposted that as a trial reel recently, and it didn't do anything. Mm, hmm, right? Because that energy is not alive right now, and that's why, when people talk about repurposing content and everything, like, Yeah, I'll repurpose content. That's fine, but I'm going to tweak it. Or I very rarely repurpose content, very rarely, because it just the energy is different. It's not the words, it's the energy that comes through it that's different.
Jenna 17:02
You could tell because if I were to play the one that you redid, the reel that you redid, the energy in it is entirely different. How you sound, delivering it is entirely different. And you can feel the abrasiveness in your delivery,
Laura 17:19
Probably because I was pissed off about it, but, yeah, I think it agitates me because, like, it's like, uh, it's like, I feel like I want to shake myself or shake somebody. I just want to shake somebody and be like, see yourself. Like, see how, see how much you are giving away and leaking energy and areas that you do not even realize, right? Like, do not justify energy leaks by saying you're an empath.
Jenna 17:52
Well, that's a good message, because what all are you allowing? I think it's because you were less boundaried.
Laura 18:01
100% and I'm pissed at myself for that
Jenna 18:03
Chill!
Laura 18:04
I'm so grateful for this space. Okay, ah, I feel opened. Thank you.
Jenna 18:11
What a beautiful witnessing this has become
Laura 18:16
Yeah and I just feel very present with like, previous aspects of myself, current aspects of myself becoming aspects of myself, like I just feel very present, like I feel like all of these aspects of self are present in this room right now, and they're all just kind of being here together, like they're just in space together and gradually, kind of like walking towards one another and just coming into this group embrace and settling themselves in my solar plexus, which is right below the heart space. And as they breathe, they're just expanding. And this energy becomes one as it rises into the heart and surrounds the heart and comes up through the throat, kind of clearing that expression, expanding expression, refining expression, and coming into a more convictedly embodied and integrated version of myself. You're beautiful. So I guess I just did a little energy work there.
Jenna 19:24
Just a little bit.
Laura 19:24
And it's also an area that when we feel this kind of rub and it remains, it's a place where we're meant to advocate. You want to talk about empathy. You want to talk about offering service. You want to talk about giving use that resulting agitation to fucking speak and just be like, Man, this doesn't sit well because and be with that and go into your seven why journaling prompt if you want. Why doesn't this sit well, right? And then when you answer that question, why? Yeah, and when you answer that question, well, why that right? And just keep going until you get to this point now that's in the mind. So I'm not going to recommend that as much as I recommend just being present with that energy of agitation
Jenna 20:14
And having a little empathy for yourself.
Laura 20:18
Having a little empathy for myself? What do you mean?
Jenna 20:21
For old versions of you.
Laura 20:23
Yeah, exactly, exactly being present with it and and bringing in that integration of self exactly at the same time that you are, you're present with almost the injustice of the lesson that arrives for you, because you know that that was the byproduct of a narrative that wasn't yours to begin with -
Jenna 20:45
injustice.
Laura 20:46
So you get to speak to that and really invite people into liberation from, you know, a caged narrative that has just become so commonplace for them. I like it when I get fired up about shit. See, this is how we can desire to get fired up about shit. And you can actually, like, get off on being like, what the fuck like? Let yourself get off people on your own agitation. All right, everybody, thank you for receiving the multiple different textures of Laura Mazzotta In this episode. I deeply appreciate you. And as always, we would love to hear your reflections and questions in the comments. We're always here if you want to reach out and say hey, hey, hey, what do you say? And I hope you have a beautiful day.
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