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and I'm Laura mazzotta, an Akashic therapist. Sit back, relax and receive as new insights. Enter your awareness during these illuminating conversations. Welcome to Episode 10 of divinely grounded. Today we are going to talk about protection.
Jenna 1:02
So we're seeing it a lot lately. I've been seeing it a lot on social media, and just with every, like, new moon cycle, it's just like, protect your field, like, go through this whole ritual of protection, and it's kind of driving me insane. So I just wanted to talk about it a little bit.
Laura 1:21
So we're not talking about condoms, right?
Jenna 1:24
Well, we could, if you want to slip into that area. Okay, so can we talk about the pun?
Laura 1:32
Yeah, I could literally talk about this and post about it every single day of my life. In fact, I should probably just take the posts that I make about it and just replicate them and post them on a weekly basis, because it comes up all the time, and I it makes me crazy when it comes up, because it just invites people into a space of fear. It perpetuates fear, and it's so it's so toxic. That doesn't mean that maybe there aren't energies or entities out there that could be considered malevolent. Is that even a good word? Is that a word?
Jenna 2:12
Why not? It is a word.
Laura 2:17
Nefarious?
Jenna 2:18
Oh, nefarious sounds hot.
Laura 2:21
Yeah, right. I like the word nefarious.
Jenna 2:22
Me too.
Laura 2:23
That was my favorite AP word. So it doesn't mean that there aren't things out there, because I don't believe that there are, I don't believe that there are energies that are evil. Because what I've experienced in my spiritual connection, and what I've experienced in my connection with a lot of, notably evil energies, and I'm using quotations, is that it's all just energy, right? It's all just energy that can dissolve and come into clarity when we are present with it, when we don't just dismiss it or label it as something and but that being said, we're dealing with the unknown. We're dealing with the infant. Nobody really knows dudes like that's part of being on this path is knowing that you're never going to fully know the truth that I know is that evil energies do not exist, and we do not need to protect ourselves from them, because even if they did exist, source, the highest Creator of all things, created everything, including these entities or energies that people say exist. So even if they do, it's like, connect with source, connect with your highest creator, come into the boldest, richest embodiment and relationship with source, and that's the light, like my coaster here that says happiness can be found even in the darkest of times, if only one remembers To turn on the light. Albus Dumbledore, we all know that Harry Potter is the best foundation for understanding human experience and spirituality. And therefore it's clear, but truly, if you turn on a light and a dark room, it illuminates the room, right? You're not going to bring dark to a flame. So when we bring source in, it will illuminate whatever we consider to be dark, whether that's showing us what it really is and is meant to be, whether it's bringing us a lesson, whether it's communicating with us in some way
Jenna 4:37
I agree, and also the fact that you know, we are sovereign beings, so we get to choose what we invite in and what we do not. It's not so much about, you know, what you have in your field protection wise. It's, it's, are you allowing whatever energy that you're receiving to be there? You. Yeah. And we talk about that a lot like in in receipt and in discernment that we just we sit with the energies and choose to alchemize them, transmute them, whatever we want to do with them. And it's the same when they're quote, unquote nefarious, right?
Laura 5:18
Yeah, it's almost like that statement that I say on a regular basis, I can't be manipulated without my consent, and I think that we can be manipulated without our consent when our consent is distorted by our subconscious material and we don't realize or have awareness of our own boundaries and what we desire to allow in and what we don't desire to allow in, right? And so it's really, it's it's about taking responsibility and and owning what it is you want to create in your life and in your field, and knowing what feels like a match for that and what doesn't. And the best antidote to all of this is really to get, get to know yourself the most intimate level.
Jenna 6:11
Know what you feel like because I mean it, it's not like it's bad, to set the intention to be clear or to set the intention to have like these energetic, I don't know, containers or fields that people set, you know, in terms of protection, but at the same time, you don't want to unintentionally filter something out, and you also don't want to be in a space of thinking that you need to be protected, because you are stronger than that. You are as powerful as you choose to be. You know, I was thinking about when you said, when you turn on a light in a room. It made me think of the soul. Right. Whenever you enter a room, it just illuminates. So let yourself illuminate any space. If you start feeling that energy, turn yourself on,
Laura 7:16
I think this is part of really owning how radiant you are. I think it's really about that, because it does. It feels really, really good to clear your energy, like when you do Reiki on yourself, when you receive Reiki, when you know and quote, unquote, clear your field. It's not that you're removing energy as much as it's you are, re attuning to the purity that you are, and in that anything that is not that purity will just naturally dissolve, fall away, scatter and and I've said before that we don't need to clear our fields, because we really just need to come into connection with spirit. And that's that's really true, because at the end of the day, when you're clearing your field, you're you're coming into connection with universal energy. You're coming into connection with the divine, and allowing the divine to kind of move and shift things however it desires. So is it really? Is it really clearing energy, or is it just coming into attunement with our higher power
Jenna 8:30
and a return to your own purity,
Laura 8:32
Exactly. And that decision and devotion is what you're looking for when you say you want protection,
Jenna 8:45
Correct. Because the second you start to feed into the idea that something is coming for you, or something is attached to you, you then give that idea power in the same way that you give a narrative power. So you create these energies and and give them that as much as you do when you decide to do the opposite and filter into your purity, you know and like, give yourself Reiki, right? Like that's you giving yourself power, as much as you would be giving a nefarious energy power by believing that it exists and that it's there and that it's doing something to you, when, in fact, that's you just recognizing that you have an energy in your field that you don't desire to, that you don't resonate with, or that is there for you to do something with.
Laura 9:49
Thank you, that’s what I was going to say. We're being presence with, right? Which brings us back to, I can't remember which one, which episode it was on resonance. On resonance. When we were talking about resonance and and being really, really aware and discerning about resonance and your felt sense. The other thing I really love that you pointed out was this concept of, you know, whether we're labeling as it as nefarious, or creating these stories, and we put the we put the label on it, right? We make this decision that it is bad, that it's out to get us. Do these narratives exist in the universe? Like, do those kinds of, does that kind of understanding exist in spiritual realms? No, like, there isn't cognitive, conscious understanding that we know of. All we know of is that that exists in human beings on our planet, right? We don't know of that existing elsewhere and so really up there, it's just energies kind of moving and colliding into one another and creating new stars and new access points and new beings and new galaxies all the time, right? And so it's just, it's just energy, and it's not labeled, and it's not analyzed as, oh, this is destroying the galaxy, or this is coming to get us. You know that that kind of conversation is not occurring anywhere but on this planet. And so it's very clear that the energies that really show up as intensity, transformational, creational energies just feel very daunting because they're big, and they may show up as scary, like like all the psychotic patients I worked with for years who had very, very scary visions and very scary beings that would come to them and and it's just wild how much that stuff disappears when you just turn toward it, when you when you come into exchange with the energy of it and try to understand its purpose for being there. Because the fact is, if you truly trust the divine and you truly trust the Creator, then you trust everything that has been created, and you trust that it's being created for a reason and for a purpose, right? And so whatever is coming into your field is here to highlight where you're still fearful, highlight where you're creating narratives or understandings or distortions that are leaving you in a state that does not feel like easeful light purity.
Jenna 12:24
I like that about, you know, turning toward it and saying the different sides of it. Because when you look at something as as solely bad or as malevolent, then you rob it of being good, because you don't see it in that way. You take it out of the container of being good or having something for you exactly. Just label it and put it in a specific space, and you say, No, that's not for me.
Laura 12:48
Right, and it's like, are you willing to receive all that is offered to you? And sometimes that receipt is going to be a very brief rush through your field, and sometimes that receipt is going to be a deeper immersion or highlighting where your subconscious patterns are distorting the universal energy that is always here in your highest and best to lead you towards expansion. That doesn't mean expansion is always comfortable, which we talked about in episode two, right? Like it doesn't mean that that it's always comfortable, but it is. It is here, and it's getting curious about the presence of the energy, rather than just like if we were in a room with somebody and they all of a sudden shared some kind of horrific trauma or something, and everybody gasps, oh, my God, right. Like, do we need to be reactive to what is being presented to us, or do we get to still approach that with curiosity and be like, Oh, wow, what an experience for you, right? And just be a curious witness of what arrives
Jenna 13:57
and trust your light. I mean, it's really that simple when you're interacting with this whole concept of protection, how much do you really trust your light?
Laura 14:09
Yeah, and how big it can be, and how big it can get, and how constantly expansive it is like, what if we approached each of these things that come up for us, whether they're fears or energies that we say we can feel with a blinding expansion of our light. What if we placed these on us on a platter and handed this platter over to source. Source created it. Source knows what to do with it, taking over responsibility in that way as well. It's like this, this dance between like, responsibility for your light and over responsibility for the energy that presents. Like, yeah, be present with it. Know that it's that it's. Move in motion, but also don't grasp on to it as yours all the time. Like, don't be a hoarder.
Jenna 15:15
I like that. I’m thinking about, like the law of attraction, right? And thinking about these energies that arrive for us come to us because they are a match for our frequency. Yes or No,
Laura 15:28
I have a lot of feelings on the law of attraction. So what did you just say? You said that we attract what's meant for us?
Jenna 15:35
No, I said, Do you not think that a lot of these energies that come to meet us, meet our same frequency, or are brought to us because they are a match, quote, unquote match for our frequency that we are currently in, or because they are inviting us higher?
Laura 15:56
Energies are always inviting us higher. Yes, I do believe that, yes, energies are always inviting us higher. So I think that talking about it as a match to our frequency, I that language doesn't land for me just because, you know, again, we we don't have to. We're not meant to always be in spaces that feel resonant.
Jenna 16:21
Right. And we don't want to, we don't want an energy that's just going to continue to match us, because then we remain stagnant
Laura 16:28
In context of this conversation it’s so if you're really latching on to this idea that negative entities are coming in, or you need to protect your field, then really based on this logic and understanding you would be just avoiding your own deeper inner work by placing that kind of label and narrative on it, instead of recognizing This energy as an intentional friction to agitate you into an opening and a trembling of your own power.
Jenna 17:09
Yes, like you. Called this in correct, like it is for you. No?
Laura 17:21
Ehhhh. called it in? I think that your soul orchestrates the energies that will effectively activate you into expansion, and you have the choice as to whether or not to receive that.
Jenna 17:37
Always. The reason I brought this up, this whole frequency thing is because that is the that is the line that people often get fed, right around protection.
Laura 17:49
where is the line they get fed?
Jenna 17:52
that it's something that it's something that you're not doing, it's something that you or you are doing, or something that you need to do more. You need to shed something, or you need to heal this, or or some shit like that. It's like this line that you're fed of. It's something that you are doing wrong, or not even wrong, but something that you need to do differently. So I think in the realm of protection with that, people get fed this line of like you're not clearing yourself enough you're not in your highest frequency, whatever it may be, but it, it's, it's that type of framing and messaging that I think kind of fucks people up and keeps them in this space of, oh, I need to constantly be doing something to keep myself clean, as opposed to realizing that you already are and that anything else that arrives is for you from your soul, but you are attaching the nefarious nature to it, and then being afraid of your own receipt.
Laura 18:56
That’s ultimately what it is, because it does give this message of you haven't done enough to protect yourself, and you you need to make sure that you, you know, put on your raincoat and your rain boots before you go out in a rainstorm, because if you get wet, you're fucked, right?
Jenna 19:13
Yeah. Like, I had this Reiki healer for a while who would always wear, she always wears a hat because she wants to protect her crown and is, like, terrified that something will come in. So she's always wearing a hat. And I'm like, you realize everything's energy, right? Like, it's just solid here, like any energy can pierce through anything, if you let it, like, what the fuck is a hat gonna do? And it's just these things that they people attribute to themselves. So it's like, I need to do this to protect myself.
Laura 19:44
And it's what it's doing is it's encouraging a wall and a hardening, when what spirituality is really meant to invite is a softening and an opening and a trust and a surrender and a rest and a melting. And this idea of protection. Action is is a hardened human created concept that has absolutely nothing to do with the purity of the Creator and everything to do with the fear that has been developed on this planet and the human nervous system and multiple extensions. So what would you suggest somebody do when they do feel this need to protect themselves from spiritual energies?
Jenna 20:27
I would ask, what is it that you're afraid of seeing in yourself? I mean, and you can do whatever practice makes you feel better, right? Like, I'm not saying that, but don't use it as an avoidance strategy or as a way of keeping something out, because that thing, whatever it is, and I, when I say that, I do mean energy, that energy is just going to keep knocking at the door for you to receive it.
Laura 20:49
Put a filter in. Put a spiritual filter in where, you know, imagine the flower of life as a filter, and you're just kind of putting it in front of you, or you're putting it above, you know, whatever, imagine that this energy is coming through that flower of life. So it's going to be kind of funneled through the little nooks and crannies and that sacred geometry. And so what you're doing there is you're choosing to receive the energy, and you're also choosing to receive it at a pace that you can kind of taste its texture without having it feel like it's coming in really fast or really intensely. And this is a way that you can work with energy in general, like we are co creating with the universe. And so it's not I need to protect myself from the energy, but it's also I get to use my choice and discernment to decide the pace at which this comes through.
Jenna 21:50
I like how you came at it from a spiritual, energetic, like embodiment perspective. And I was like, here's a practical mind thing to do.
Laura 22:02
Yeah, it's easy too. Is just having a conversation with it. Turn towards energy and have a conversation with it. Get curious. We're meant to develop relationships with energy. It's like, we see somebody walking down the street, and it's like, well, there's a douchebag. I'm staying away from him. And it's like, have you talked to him? Right? Have you? Do you under Do you know who he is? Do you do you have, like, Do you have any idea what is going through his head right now, or what his life is like? It's the same fucking thing. The energy comes in and it's like, okay, dude, where have you been? What's going on? What brings you to my neck of the woods? Like, create a relationship with spiritual energy. Create a relationship with energy.
Jenna 22:43
You gotta make it fun.
Laura 22:44
You’re not going to get spiritually attacked people. That's a that is a nervous system activation that is rooted in trauma and fear. Regulate your nervous system and see if you have the exact same response to the same energy that comes into your field, I guarantee you it will be very different. If you need help with that, give me a call. I'm kind of good at it. I've been a therapist for 20 years. You know, have a trauma informed care certification programming on, ya know..
Jenna 23:13
Casual plug.
Laura 23:14
Yeah, casual. Let's drop that there. All right, dudes, I know there's a lot of different perspectives and opinions on this topic, so we are. We don't shy away from receiving anything that you have to lay down in terms of your perspective and own experience with this kind of thing, because I do know that people palpably feel this as a reality in their lives, and I'm here to connect with their with the body, with the soul, with the energy, with the subconscious mind. To really get clarity on this experience, because no matter what, you label it as an energetic experience, and let's get curious about it, because nothing's come here to get you and ruin you, no matter how much it might feel that way sometimes. So let us know how you feel after receiving this episode. Reach out to either of us anytime you desire. We are here for you. We love you, and we'll see you on episode 11. Have a beautiful day.
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