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Laura 0:40
and I'm Laura mazzotta, an Akashic therapist. Sit back, relax and receive as new insights. Enter your awareness during these illuminating conversations. Welcome to Episode Nine of divinely grounded. Let's talk about drug, baby let’s talk about you and me.
Jenna 1:05
Thank you for singing this.
Laura 1:08
Dude, we’re talking about drugs today. Talk about drugs, specifically plant medicine, like, Let's go that way and all the shit, right? Marijuana. You know? What do you want to talk about on this one, Jenna, because I know you kind of had some this was kind of your topic of fun.
Jenna 1:25
Well, I mean, is it? Is it my topic of fun?
Laura 1:29
It's your topic of fun.
Jenna 1:31
I just wanted to really get into it, because a lot of people seem to think that they need some form of, we can say, we can call it plant medicine in order, or drugs, whatever the fuck in order to connect, right?
Laura 1:49
Yeah, and I have thoughts on this because I've seen, I've seen benefits to using plant medicine to access higher consciousness. And I also have very strong opinions based on my spiritual experiences that I've had and my connection and downloads that I've received from the Akashic Records.
Jenna 2:11
See and then I have a lot of opinion just based on my personal experience with drugs. So this is going to be an interesting conversation.
Laura 2:19
Yeah, so, and I've had some of those myself, just with marijuana. I haven't really tried anything else at this point. But I, um, I haven't been quick because I have not fully ruled out trying mushrooms at some point, like psilocybin or something. The only reason I don't want to rule it out is because I don't. I mean, I never say, Never i Yeah, like, I just feel like there's always an unfolding. And, you know, who knows, who knows how things so. But as of this point in time, where I am with this is that I have seen that the people who respond the best and find the most benefit from plant medicine are the ones who have like chronic PTSD, like cpsd, complex PTSD, or very, very sticky nervous system patterns typically based on trauma or difficult attachments earlier in their lives that have left them unable to relax enough in their physical body to be able to feel the sensation of spirit and the depth of spirituality and the longevity of a deepening spiritual connection comes from our embodiment of the god energy, and so the deepening of that into like every little cell just does not feel safe to some people's bodies, often veterans. You know, this is one reason why that has micro dosing has been used and very effective. And some of those plant medicines have been very effective with veterans, especially ones who have served, obviously, in very challenging situations. And so I can see how when you use that substance, it can open access to the sensation and the even the connection of higher consciousness. So that memory is now housed in the body, and so that sensation can now be accessed, unlocked and opened going forward to connect to higher consciousness. So it's almost like they've put the key in the lock and said, Okay, I've kind of bypassed the nervous system in the brain and been able to receive these codes, these sensations in my physical body. So now I can open those and access those going forward. I have found that that's very effective. I've also seen that there's some people who just can't get out of their own fucking way, right? They can't get out of their own fucking way, and they've gone through the same patterns for years, and then they go on a plant medicine journey, and they're like, holy shit. Now I see it, boom, boom, boom. And they're locked in, awesome, great. Sometimes you just need that little bit of a hurdle to get over and be like, Okay, I. See It Now that pattern has, it's like a pattern interrupt, right? But what I find is that the peop there's, I've also seen a lot of people who rely on it to access higher consciousness, or use it so consistently, because it's fun, right? Because it's a fun way of accessing higher consciousness and and to me, one of the best compliments I've ever received was from one of my retreats a couple of years ago when one of the women came up to me, and she was just like, I had no idea that I could access this level of sustained higher consciousness and vibration without any substances. And I think what happens is we can truncate the the depth of spiritual connection that we have because we are reliant on something outside of ourselves, and we're actually diminishing the witnessing of our own power to access this level without it right. And we are saying that, like we always need this kind of bridge or this access point, rather than recognizing we are divinity. And I think one of the reasons we truncate this, the main reason is because of impatience. I want to get there. I want to get there now, or this is taking too long. So that's my 12 cents. What you got?
Jenna 6:18
I agree that it has a lot to do with patience, that last part that's really, yeah. I mean, I agree with everything you said prior to that, but I really, what's sticking to me is that last part about patience and wanting to access higher consciousness quicker, and feeling like that's a almost cleaner way to do it, and it's not. And I think people can get that twisted in their head thinking, Oh, this is, like, a a direct way, because it's because it's a natural substance or something like that, right? So it's like, oh, then that's a, that's a clean way to do it. And it's like, no, I mean, the cleanest way is being within the purity of you. And I mean, I'm going to be honest with me, when I was smoking, I feel like I could access that quickly, and it was powerful. And when I stopped, it was hard, not hard to stop, but hard to access that for a while, and I felt I would get in my head with it being like, what the fuck am I just not like, was it all just me making shit off, like, can I connect at all? And then you get into this space of like, am I as powerful as that makes me think, I am like, Am I really in connection? Am I really divine? And then it's like, no, just have patience to receive. And then it deepens your actual practice.
Laura 7:41
Oh, big time. It's so deepens it. And it deepers your deepens your embodiment of it,
Jenna 7:47
yeah, because I was not embodied when I was doing that. And it was very mind heavy. It was very, very mind heavy. And it was very mind driven.
Laura 7:55
I like that, because it's, you know, we talk about it, and when you take those medicines, it's very, you know, it's very perceptual. It's just perception and so, but perception is a mind thing. And yeah, you can obviously have sensation in the body when you're taking these medicines as well. But what I have found is that, I will be honest, I have worked with a lot of people who have and have not used these medicines, and I have very, very rarely seen somebody who has said that doing Ayahuasca once has changed their lives, that doing shrooms once has changed their entire lives. And I've seen that it's created an opening. But then there were, like, a myriad of other things that you know that through their compilation changed their lives, right? So, yeah, it could be, like, I said, like a pivot point, an access point, but, but I've, I've found, more often than not, it's like that was a really good journey, just like I just went on a really good vacation, or I just had really good sex, and, oh my God, look at what opened up for me. It's, it's not like it, you know, has lasting effects. I've seen, like, I know a couple people who have had effects for like, three to four months after doing LSD or mushrooms. But for the most part, it's, it becomes this, well, I need to do it again in order to get to that space. And so I have recommended it to some people that have mostly because they've been so blocked or had Complex PTSD, and it has been an opening for them, obviously doing so in kind of an environment that's very safe and all of that. But I think the other piece here is, is being intentional with it. You know, like you and I have talked about this, that there's, there's using any kind of substance, and then there's, I am choosing to sit in ritual with this substance and honoring it as a divine frequency. Z of Mother Earth, which I know is what happens in Ayahuasca ceremonies, and I know that's what happens in plant medicine ceremonies, is they really connect to the plant. They create a relationship with the plant. All of this for me, I just don't feel that's necessary, because what I have received from the Akashic records with that is that every single thing on this planet has a frequency and is energy, and I can connect to the frequency of ayahuasca. I can connect to the frequency of marijuana, of whatever it is I want, in this case of the Akashic records, unlock that and bring the vibration into my body. So do I need to put the actual substance in my body? As of right now, I'm saying no, and the message that I've gotten around Ayahuasca is absolutely not, it's not required, right? And I've, I've just had my own journey with that, and I've, and again, I've seen people who have really opened up with it, but on a consistent basis, it's not something that I would recommend to the average Joe. There's something that came out when you were talking about sensations in the body when you take certain substances, and it's, I just think it's important to delineate that sensation in the body. And this is where I got tripped up, because I was like, No, fuck you, I'm embodied. Is that sensation in the body is not embodiment? And I think that's a really important distinction to make, because you can be wholly separate from that, as opposed to embodying your beingness, embodying whatever is coming through you, like I can be like, Oh, that feels good. But are you? You know what I mean? Are you? Are you within it? Are you? Are you absorbing it? Are you pasting the texture of it? Are you serving with it? Are you fully present? Yes, all of that. And I think that's the part to me that it's like, are you in full presence with this? Because when we talk about embodiment and we talk about co creation, we talk about a deep honoring of the body and interaction on this planet, and at the same time that we talk about a deep honoring and respect for the divine and higher consciousness. So it's like, if I am not in full presence, like one of my favorite mantras, right? I float with grounded awareness. I'm here in this higher state of consciousness, and yet I am in full presence and interaction in my human world. Am I in full presence when I am on one of these substances? No, I am not.
Jenna 12:25
So that also
Laura 12:27
go ahead.
Jenna 12:27
No, no, go go ahead.
Laura 12:28
Well, that's why I say that. Fine, you know, do it to unlock, you know, do it do it to to get over a hurdle, you know. But on a consistent basis, it's like, I don't know, man. I mean, obviously you're not going to be like, you know, in this state of a loose, oh, my goodness gracious, a hallucinogenic state, all day, every day. But I know a lot of people who do it consistently enough that there's, I mean, it's in their system at all times, even in the background,
Jenna 13:01
yeah, I mean, and it has a lot to do with what is your intention when you're doing this? Are you doing this because you're wanting to receive something specific? Are you doing this because you want to feel something specific, or because you want to feel good, because you want you know what I mean, like, what is the intention? Is the intention the purity of service, or is there no outcome attached to it? Like, are you wanting to receive whatever you receive by doing this to shape you in your service and your collective service? Like, what is the intention there,
Laura 13:33
right? And like, what is being shaped as a result of these experiences? Like, is it truly expanding your consciousness so that you are seeing people, situations, interactions, very differently from a place of unity consciousness. Are you responding in a much lower level of reactivity? Are you like, are you seeing the same kinds of expansion that you would access as you're following the spiritual path? And if you are, tell us in the comments and call us out, right?
Jenna 14:01
Yeah. I mean, there's nothing. There's nothing wrong with it at all, right? At all. It's just this, the sensation of what makes you think that you can't do it otherwise, right? Is that not you being more in your power?
Laura 14:16
That's a good point, too. That would be an interesting question to ask people, is there any part of you that is, or what part of you is avoiding your power or hiding from the enormity of it, or you're bringing—
Jenna 14:30
Or outsourcing it to a substance to say, No, I get, I get it from this instead, which I was doing for a very long time.
Laura 14:36
Well, you know what I you know what I like about what you just brought up, too, the waiting energy, the times I've heard people say, Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna deal with that in my ceremony, I'm gonna deal with that in my ceremony. It's in a few weeks, and it's like, What the fuck are you doing waiting for the plant to tell you, dude, like you can sit down right goddamn now and access that information, right? And. And these are people I know who do it, like, once a month, or once every few weeks, or whatever, and it's like, Well, I'm just, I'm gonna, I'm putting that on my list for my next ceremony and and I want to honor them truly, because they are doing the fucking work, man. I mean, it's amazing, like, it's amazing work, and it's work that the planet needs. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying, I'm inviting you into I'm all about returning to purity, right? And just inviting you into a deeper claiming of your purity. And this, this goes along the same lines of taking supplements versus taking medication, right? I take supplements. Ultimately I desire to. I'm already in recognition that I don't require them right, to be at my highest level of vitality, but that's something I'll get to. And some of these people who are doing plant medicines might be like, Well, Laura, I'm not taking any supplements. So you know, we're all on a different journey. We're all on a different journey. But this is a conversation that you know, I know is very, very very present in the spiritual community, and one that has a lot of different perspectives. And we'd love to hear yours, so feel free to share them in the comments. But one thing you brought up when we first talked about this was talking about this in the context of remaining grounded. So what are your What were you thinking about that?
Jenna 16:20
I think that has to go along with the lines of what we did talk about in presence, right? Oh, yes, I would agree. Like, you know, when you do these things to you want to remain present, because if you're not, then are you going to ground and anchor what you received? Because, like you said, I mean, it can be fleeting, like you'll be you'll have the awareness and you can implement it, but then those things will come back, or it'll stay for, like, a few months, and then you you want to go do that again, to achieve something else, right? So it's like, when you're Is there a groundedness in it to where it's anchored, and it's something that is lasting within you. There is lasting change,
Laura 17:02
right? And if the answer is yes, go for it. You do you? You know what I mean? Because I think that, yeah, exactly. I do. Think that's it. It's like, are you taking that, that grounded action and witnessing its integration and its ripple effect and your beingness in your life, etc, then, you know, more power to you. I have seen people do very, very well with this. And I gotta be honest, most of the time, it's people who just cannot get out of their own way, like they're just like I they go in circle, circle, circles, no matter how much healing work they do and and to me, that's really as as a therapist of 20 years, it to me that is unresolved trauma. That's really what I see that being, and I still think it can, can be a bit of a cycle, but, um, but that doesn't mean that everybody has to resolve all their fucking trauma in his life. Either. They don't have to. They found something that worked for them, and that's actually going to disrupt them more, even though I fully believe and working with trauma from a spiritual and energetic perspective and not diving and not diving back into that shit in the way that we do in traditional therapy. But that is still not for everyone. So you get to decide, but, um, but I think when we talk about remaining grounded, there's people who would say, Yeah, well, I do my ceremony, and then I do, I go implement it, and I put it into my life, and then I go to the next ceremony and helps expand my awareness and get insights about myself that I otherwise would not have recognized.
Jenna 18:33
And maybe that is, you know, that, quote, unquote, waiting, you know, for a ceremony to do something, as opposed to just accessing it right now, maybe that's like a nervous system thing, right? Like, maybe that's how someone wants to treat their nervous system.
Laura 18:47
Yeah, maybe that's their case.
Jenna 18:51
Exactly. Which is fine, too.
Laura 18:53
That’s true, because it could be like, you know, every few weeks I know that I need a few weeks in between to be able to ground and anger this, and then I know that I'll be ready for my next insight. I guess for me, I just look at it as —
Jenna 19:07
Gimme! Let's fucking go,
Laura 19:09
Yeah, it's like, can't you just kind of sit in stillness and receive that next insight? I mean, all I'm saying is, Listen, you do you? But I also know that you can sit in stillness if you're patient enough, you're gonna receive the same fucking awareness, you're gonna see, receive the same fucking shit. And I just think you might be a little impatient with getting there, and you don't want to sit with yourself that long.
Jenna 19:37
Then is it more expansive to do it that way, where you're in stillness and you're actively in receipt that way, as opposed to saying, Oh, I'm going to wait for this next time where I'm going to do whatever substance and receive something that way, because that is so contained and so measured and. That feels Yeah, that just feels so much more contained energetically to me, as opposed to sitting in receipt and being like, Okay, let me —
Laura 20:09
Feel more open
Jenna 20:10
Yeah
Laura 20:10
And, you know, the last thing I'll say here that that brings up for me is that I think a lot of people do this too, because of the communities that they do it in, because they like the communities they do this in, or like the person who's who's, you know, facilitating, thank you, facilitating the person who is facilitating it. You know, they feel really comfortable with, or safe with, or whatever. And so again, you know, this is why retreats are great. This is why, you know, spiritual circles, full moon circles, things like that are great, because you can come into spiritual community outside of substances. So I think we've, we've hit on a lot of different textures of this here, and we love to hear and the comments about, you know, like Jenna asked earlier, like, what are you desiring to receive from this? Because I think some of it is, we talked about belonging, we talked about sensation, we talked about embodiment. We talked about awareness, you know, we talked about pace and integration. So just, just allow this to help you become curious about where you are with it and its role in your journey. Right now, I and like I said, I'm open, like I'll always stay open, because I think that we're always unfolding. You never know.
Jenna 21:25
I’ll do shrooms with you, Laura.
Laura 21:25
Yeah, you want to do shrooms together?
Jenna 21:28
Yeah, I'll do shrooms with you.
Laura 21:29
Okay, yeah, sounds good.
Jenna 21:31
We'll come back in another episode.
Laura 21:36
Yeah stay tuned for Episode 11, where we change every single fucking narrative we just shared. Alright, everybody. Thank you for listening. We will see you on episode 10 of divinely grounded. Bye for now. You.
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