Laura Mazzotta: Welcome back to another episode of The Freedom Frequency. This is episode 9 of our series on the Akashic Musings Podcast, and today, myself and Anna Jones are talking about the freedom to rest.
Laura Mazzotta: So, this was coming up for you first, Ana. So, why don't you share a little bit about what's coming forward for you around this, and then I can dive into what I was chatting about.
Ana Jones: Yeah, thank you. So… I mean…
Ana Jones: I think there are a lot of layers, as always, for the rest conversation, but one of the things that I was, you know, telling you before we started recording was how
Ana Jones: There was a part of me that was feeling so exhausted, so tired, that…
Ana Jones: This part of me had to be bigger.
Ana Jones: Then all the parts of me that were programmed and wired to be productive, to be
Ana Jones: valuable, you know, in which we, you know, value… we find worth in society, right? Like, I'm producing, I'm doing, I'm, you know, going, I'm everything, because I was raised from a very, like, masculine go, go, go, get, get, get, chase, chase, chase type of energy.
Ana Jones: Work, work, work, and so it's really interesting because I've set a boundary for myself, like, I'm just like, I don't want to live that life anymore, and it has been quite an interesting and honestly very…
Ana Jones: intense transition. It's… it's kind of been this, like, the pushing of the edges of the limitations and the fears that have been coming up, because…
Ana Jones: Can you imagine, like, decades of this programming of the work, work, work, and the go, go, go, and the busy, busy, busy, that I have had to destroy?
Ana Jones: all of these identities that I've built around being busy is… makes me important. Being ambitious is, you know, it makes me valuable, and wanting more is… etc.
Ana Jones: And so
Ana Jones: I've recently realized all these stories that had come up around rest, where I didn't know that I felt so guilty around resting. I didn't know that there was a lot of shame around, like, waking up, I don't know, noon, when I was coming back from a
Ana Jones: from a trip, from an overseas trip, and my body was just exhausted, and I was feeling so depleted. I even… I don't even know if I did or if I didn't. It felt like I had long COVID.
Ana Jones: And I… I'm one of those people, I'm just like, I don't care about other stories, like, my… my long COVID isn't gonna last that long, it's gonna be short, it's gonna be, you know, it's gonna… it's gonna be what… it's gonna give me what it needs to give me, and then it's gonna go.
Ana Jones: And so I had a session with, with a therapist that I do, EMDR, and we do some… we do… she's like me, but in a therapist, so I like that I get that back.
Ana Jones: And so we were just looking into this exhaustion, and this is… this exhaustion was just like, I don't want to be here anymore. Like, I just… I just… I'm not… this is not what I'm… what I… like, what I'm here for. Like, it's too much hustle, it's too much grind, I'm just exhausted. I'm ready to peace out.
Ana Jones: And so we, like, pulled that part back in, and I was fully integrated, and after that call, I tell you, it's like, I… I took, like, an energizing pill. Like, it was… like, I felt… I felt energized, I felt grounded, I felt good. The next day, I was like.
Ana Jones: lucid, I was feeling good, I was like, cool, okay, we're good. So now my energy levels feel good, and I've been really thinking about rest more and more, and just…
Ana Jones: you know, there is obviously this fear of, like, if I rest more, you know, will I make the same amount of money, or will I be able to make more, or no, or this? And this is the edge that I'm playing with currently, you know?
Ana Jones: Playing more, enjoying more, resting more, because we don't think about all those years that we've been hustling and pushing and going.
Ana Jones: the body can be like, alright, bitch, like, this is the whiplash, you know? This is, like, the accumulation of exhaustion, and I'm just… I don't want to do this anymore, so I'm just gonna collapse.
Ana Jones: So, this is… this is currently where I am today, and… and you and I, you know, we've been… we've been leaning into… to more of the space of, yeah, let's… let's explore what it would be like to… to just rest more and step… step away from this productivity vibe.
Laura Mazzotta: Yeah, and I think that it's very self-loving to do that, right? To lean back into…
Laura Mazzotta: And to rest before we get to the point where our bodies shut down on us, where our minds start to really reel with, you know, almost feeling like we're losing it because we're just so overtired.
Laura Mazzotta: And we feel like we're entertaining too much and holding too much, and, you know, we weren't created for that. We weren't meant for that, and…
Laura Mazzotta: what I noticed for myself when I first started resting more. Obviously, my initial invitation into deep rest was sepsis, so I learned a lot about,
Laura Mazzotta: what to do with that space of rest, because it really is space that you're opening for yourself. And what I recognize is that I was doing a lot of restful things, but I wasn't doing them very restfully.
Laura Mazzotta: I was doing restful things like taking a break, taking a walk, laying back, reading a book, meditating, things like that.
Laura Mazzotta: But my mind would still be running, or I would be preoccupied, or I would come out of that space and be like, okay, like, check, now I need to go do X, Y, and Z, right? And so, it's also recognizing that, defining rest itself is so important, because it's going to differ for each person, but
Laura Mazzotta: the depth of rest is very, very vital to this conversation, because you can feel like, well, yeah, I put my feet up for 15 minutes, so I'm good, or I read my book, so I'm good. And it's like, okay, for me, rest has become quieter and quieter and stiller and stiller.
Laura Mazzotta: and longer and longer. And so, for me, it's like, no, I'm not going to, while I rest, think about what I'm going to do next, or think about what I'm going to do for work, or about what I need to do for my kids.
Laura Mazzotta: And what you'll find is that when you first do sink into a space of rest, some of those thoughts will come up. Some of those…
Laura Mazzotta: Because you've created space, and now your body and your mind are like, oh, wait, she's listening. So I'm going to… I'm gonna start speaking. So… so give it space to… to air its grievances, right? And to have your body speak, or have your mind speak, and…
Laura Mazzotta: And that's why I say this is a space of self-love, because you get to bring compassion and patience and understanding and presence
Laura Mazzotta: to those parts of yourself that desire to speak, just like Anna said when she went to therapy, you know, and she gave the exhaustion a chance to speak. She gave it a chance to say, you know, this is… this is the message that I want to give you. This is a part of me that I just want to… to allow to have a tantrum, to be integrated, to be accepted, right, into all of you.
Laura Mazzotta: And so, when we do that, those parts of you that have been kind of stuffed down, because you've been focusing on other things may come forward and start to chat.
Laura Mazzotta: And what we recommend is really just to lean back into this restful space and realize that this is one of the most valuable things that you can do for yourself to
Laura Mazzotta: you know, I was talking to Anna about this woman who spoke at a psychotherapy networker symposium that I went to for my, my therapy credits, because I need to do continuing education credits for my therapy license. Her name's Tricia Hersey, and, she has a…
Laura Mazzotta: a ministry called the NAP Ministry, N-A-P, so, like, taking a nap.
Laura Mazzotta: And it's so cool, because what she did when she started this was she,
Laura Mazzotta: Just rented out a space.
Laura Mazzotta: that she was able to get for, like, 40 bucks or 50 bucks, and just invited people and said, come take a nap. Like, take a break from your life and come take a nap. And people drove from all over, and they just came in and just… she had places for them to rest, and she just… they just laid down and they napped for, like, two to three hours, and then they got up and left.
Laura Mazzotta: And so this has just become a huge… A huge, initiative now.
Laura Mazzotta: That she invites people to just come into places and rest, and she invites people to rest.
Laura Mazzotta: Every single day, for a minimum of 20 to 30 minutes.
Laura Mazzotta: Because what she says, and this is… I know Anna has thoughts on this, but what she says is that rest is the ultimate resistance to grind culture. It's the ultimate resistance to hustle culture, right? Like, it is your way of raising your hand and saying, no, I'm not gonna… I'm not just going to grind, grind, grind, and drive my body into the ground, and drive my mind into the ground, and my heart into the ground, and bypass who I am.
Laura Mazzotta: And how I'm being… how I'm treating myself, how I'm allowing myself to be spoken to, because I have not taken that space to connect to me, and really, really know what it is that I desire.
Ana Jones: Yeah.
Ana Jones: And it's… and it's so interesting to me, because this is kind of like a… what do you call, like, a Freuden slip?
Ana Jones: It's like, even in the title, there's still some kind of, like, energy that's… that comes from the work, that comes from the hustle, like, the resistance, right? It's like, why do we have to resist a movement? Why can't we just be like.
Ana Jones: the choice, right? The choosing of the nap, the choosing of this, like, that just… because when you… when I heard the… I was just like, that word, like, resistance, like, you know, you hear it in movies, and like, you hear it in movies, and it's like, resist, resist, and I'm just like, ugh, my whole body just contracts, and I'm like.
Ana Jones: That doesn't make me…
Ana Jones: you know, like, oh, like a nap is safe. My body doesn't feel, oh, napping is safe. It feels like, ugh, like, I don't want to go into this space, versus, like, if you were telling me here, like, napping, like, napping, you get to choose not to be a part of the hustle culture.
Laura Mazzotta: Correct.
Ana Jones: You know what I mean? So, I think that even there, you can see, and this is not, like, you know, like, coming down on her or anything, but just, like, this is even how you can see, like, even in our language, when we're trying to get away from the hustle.
Ana Jones: from the grind. It's still so deeply ingrained within us that we have to use words like resistance, you know? Yeah, like…
Laura Mazzotta: Like, we still have to make rest productive, right? Like, rest still has to be… rest still has to be productive because it's resisting grind culture, right? Where it's just like, could you just… just shut the fuck up and rest for a few minutes? And like… and it… but I think, you know, and ultimately what she's getting at in the messages, right, is that, like.
Laura Mazzotta: it's a choice, like you said, Ana, and we get to choose
Laura Mazzotta: To rest, and again, however you define it for your energy, and what feels most restful for you.
Laura Mazzotta: And when we choose that, and we start to embrace it consistently, and we start to become it.
Laura Mazzotta: That itself can
Laura Mazzotta: be a model of resistance to the grind culture, but I am not doing it with the intention of resistance, right? I am not doing it, to prove a point.
Ana Jones: Or to, you know, create some kind of productive narrative around it. I'm just…
Laura Mazzotta: choosing to do it because I love myself. You know, I went to Mount Shasta recently, and there was this dude who was carrying his little lion, his stuffed lion, all around, Mount Shasta on Lionsgate to take pictures of him everywhere, and he was… he was fantastic, dude. He was awesome.
Laura Mazzotta: And he became our buddy while we were hiking, and…
Laura Mazzotta: one of the things he said is he's just, like, literally… I felt like I was in one of those, like, wizard adventures, you know, like those video games where you go around and everybody gives you, like, little pieces of wisdom. Like, all over the mountain, there would just be different people giving you different people's.
Ana Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Laura Mazzotta: pieces of wisdom. So he was one of these guys, and he was just like, it's all about just… it's about self-love. Like, that's what… you know, if we could get rid of any other narrative and just say, you know.
Laura Mazzotta: love yourself so fully. That's how it naturally extends to other people. So, rest is a big part of that, right? And it's deeply self-loving, like we were originally talking about here, and if we can just embrace that, it emanates to others. And I think that's the message that Anna's trying to get across here too, right? Around, like.
Laura Mazzotta: We don't have to be so forceful about this or productive about it, we get to just embody it.
Ana Jones: Yeah, yeah, and I think there is also, like.
Ana Jones: we're also so programmed and so trained to be productive that, if you think about it, what I was even telling you before, you know, we got on here, it's like.
Ana Jones: what… What's it like to not be productive?
Ana Jones: like…
Ana Jones: what does that look like? What do I do? Right? What do I do? How do I be? Whatever. And it's just one of those things where we just don't… we're just kind of stuck in this space of, like, well, I don't know how to…
Ana Jones: not do, or I don't know how to, you know, how to not be busy, or not whatever, because what happens when we stop being busy.
Ana Jones: waters.
Ana Jones: Right? Calm down.
Ana Jones: And the shit starts to float.
Laura Mazzotta: Yeah.
Ana Jones: And so, there can be a lot of fear around that.
Ana Jones: You know, it's like, holy shit, I don't know what to do with all this stuff that's coming up. I don't have the tools. I was never taught what to do. I have no fucking idea what these thoughts, these beliefs, these feelings, these emotions, what are they? I can't handle this.
Ana Jones: My, my, my, like, I'm feeling anxious, I'm feeling stressed, but maybe one, both at the same time, like, it is just, like, as human beings, we are not prepared.
Ana Jones: To slow down.
Ana Jones: We are not prepared to rest. We have not been taught what to do when we rest. That's why people, like, don't like to go on vacation.
Laura Mazzotta: Or they do, when they do, like, 18 million things, and they just, you know…
Laura Mazzotta: Right, and that's where I think, you know, supporting each other comes in, and that's why I like this nap ministry idea, because it's like, we can hold your hand in this space, you know? You can hold somebody else's hand in that space if you're feeling restless in
Laura Mazzotta: you know, a space of, of rest that you've chosen, and it's trust, right? It's trust in knowing this is going to settle. Like, the mind is going to settle. It is not going to run at a million miles a minute for the rest of your life constantly. It's not. It's gonna settle. Your emotion's gonna settle. The shaking leg is going to settle. The racing heart is going to settle. It's just that your body is used to a pace, right? It's very accustomed
Laura Mazzotta: to a pace. Give it a little space to settle down and show you what it can do. And that's the other piece, is like.
Laura Mazzotta: Let your… let your body show you how brilliant it is, how resilient it is, right? It's extremely resilient, and yeah.
Laura Mazzotta: We carry a lot, and we've carried a lot for many, many years, decades, generations, absolutely, but our ability to bounce back is so much frickin' faster than the amount of time that it's taken to build to this point, right? And like I tell my kids all the time.
Laura Mazzotta: With, I'm bored, I'm bored, I'm bored. I always say, good. That opens space for creativity. That opens space for your mind to go a million miles a minute, to go all over the frickin' map, and eventually settle on something that you feel drawn to go do. Excellent. We do not take enough space to do that.
Ana Jones: Yeah.
Ana Jones: Especially nowadays.
Ana Jones: when… I don't know if you've noticed this, but, like, when you and I were younger, like, cartoons, we had to…
Ana Jones: wait for commercials, and the cartoons even were, like, a little bit slower, you know? Like, they weren't as quick, and they weren't as fast. Now, it's like, you don't have to wait. You have either Apple TV, or Amazon Prime, or Netflix, or whatever, and it's just, like, one after the other, after the other, after the other, after the other, after the other, after the other.
Ana Jones: Like, even Amazon. Like, you can order something at 9am in the morning, and you'll get it by the evening before you go to bed. Like.
Ana Jones: it is just, like, in… I mean, it's very convenient for when you don't, you know, when you don't want to leave, and you're, like, organizing a party or whatever, but, like, as an everyday thing, it's, like, this whole thing of just, like, consumption. Quick, quick, quick, go, go, go, do, do, do.
Ana Jones: And so, of course, you know, I was… I'm so glad that I didn't tell you about this, because now I can tell you about this. I've noticed
Ana Jones: that a lot of… well, I didn't know this until I actually had a conversation with my mom, because something happened within our family, and one of our family members was just having, like, this, like.
Ana Jones: could not function, did not feel well, was… had, like, brain fog, you know, super low energy, could not function properly, and was just, like, feeling very, very, very low. And then I started talking with my mom, and she was like, you know, a lot of people are like this. That's depression.
Ana Jones: You know, and it's not… and you know, this family member wasn't like, walk, walk, you know, but there was a lot of complaining, there was a lot of anger, there was a lot of, like, resentment, like, just a lot of stuff coming up, and so I think we need to, like, zoom out a little bit and see how much anger
Ana Jones: there is in the world. Oh, yeah. People are actually sleep-deprived.
Ana Jones: are not well hydrated, are not well fed, like, I'm talking about, like, leaders, you know, people who are in, like, hospitals, people who lead, like, corporations, all of these places. It's like…
Ana Jones: They are just not well.
Ana Jones: And so what happens when you're not well, like, you're just a depressed person walking around, and you think that's normal.
Ana Jones: You think this is the way things are, and this is the way life is, and life is just the… and life is hard.
Laura Mazzotta: Right.
Ana Jones: That's what I hear all the time. It's just like, life is hard, and that's just the way it is. And I'm like.
Ana Jones: Is it so?
Ana Jones: because.
Laura Mazzotta: Yeah.
Laura Mazzotta: Oh, go ahead, what were you gonna say?
Ana Jones: Yeah, no, I just, like, I don't remember feeling…
Ana Jones: in my life the way that I had been feeling when I was kind of, like, you know, disoriented and got COVID and blah blah blah, and I was feeling low, but it was like, okay, I know I'm gonna get out of it.
Ana Jones: Because I knew that that wasn't my normal.
Ana Jones: And then when I had this conversation with my mom, she's like, Truth be told.
Ana Jones: what you are experiencing, plus, you know, imagine, like, workload, children, this and that, responsibilities, all that stuff. She's like, that's how people live. Many people live on a daily basis, and they don't stop.
Ana Jones: I'm like, whoa.
Ana Jones: So, that was, like… That was, like, a mindfuck to me.
Laura Mazzotta: Well, yeah, because their systems are overloaded. We live in such an overstimulating world as it is. I mean, just with what we're seeing and witnessing and receiving in our fields on a daily basis, not to mention daily life, like you're describing, and
Laura Mazzotta: the inner agitation, you know? You could… you're talking about, like, they're not well-nourished, they're not… they're not sleeping well, absolutely. We could even talk about something as, like, as mild as a…
Laura Mazzotta: As a, food sensitivity.
Laura Mazzotta: Right? That is agitating their gut, and it creates this irritation on the surface, or this, again, impatience, right? Like, impatience with,
Laura Mazzotta: I need to feel better now. I need to feel better now, and so I'm gonna go for the quickest fix to do that. And I also need other people and other systems to fall in line so that I can feel
Laura Mazzotta: less stressed out. And so… so this is… it is a responsibility to choose rest. It is a responsibility to choose…
Laura Mazzotta: presence with your mind and body to listen to what's coming forward, and then to just be in space. That's it. Just exist, right? And appreciate that you do.
Ana Jones: Yeah.
Laura Mazzotta: And this, I'm just going to share this one card that I pulled from, Tricia Hersey's desk. She has a card deck called the NAP Ministries Rest Deck, 50 Practices to Resist Grind Culture. And this, this card says, there's no urgency, there's no perfection, I'm enough now.
Laura Mazzotta: Deprogramming from grind culture includes a new relationship with time.
Laura Mazzotta: There's always time to rest when you reimagine what rest can be. You must be subversive, inventive, and flexible. Rest is ancient. Your body is ancient. You're coming back to yourself when you rest. Keep coming back to yourself. And that is what people avoid.
Laura Mazzotta: like you said, Ana, is coming back to themselves and being with themselves. So that's why I say.
Laura Mazzotta: Hold somebody else's hands while you're doing it, if you want to, until you get accustomed to this, but don't…
Laura Mazzotta: avoid rest, don't avoid this presence with self, because you don't know how, because there's been a lot of things in your life that you don't know how to do that you've learned. Like riding a bike, like learning how to use a fork and spoon, right? And you've learned how to do them, and you've done so successfully, and you're at the point where you know how to access the internet and listen to what we're talking about right now.
Laura Mazzotta: So… Don't let that be a reason to not step into
Laura Mazzotta: Trying this on for size. Making it a priority.
Ana Jones: You know, to piggyback off of that, I think as adults, what I've seen a lot of adults
Ana Jones: kind of get into is too much in their head of, like, oh, I'm not acing this. As adults, somehow, we think that just because we're doing one thing one time, we need to do it perfectly, because we can't make fool of fools of ourselves, because we can't be, you know, rookies.
Ana Jones: And so, I think it's like, okay, when you were a kid, and you were crawling for the first time, and, you know, like, were you just like, oh no, that was a horrible crawl?
Ana Jones: I'll never do that again, it's so embarrassing. It's like, when, you know, when you were walking and you fell down, it was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I fell down. This is, like, so… like, you know what I mean? And so this is the thing, like, as… as we grow up.
Ana Jones: We feed these lies to ourselves that, like, oh, just because we're adults, We have to know things.
Ana Jones: Like, we know… we have to know how to do them quicker, better, and like…
Ana Jones: In, like, seconds. And that, Laura, like, I think that that is really just taking us away from, like, being curious.
Ana Jones: And…
Ana Jones: stepping into, like, this place of, like, wonder and awe, and just, like, what if, like, what if I go and try out, like, tennis?
Ana Jones: You know, what if I go and play golf? Like, who fucking cares if you don't know how to do it? That's why you're going to learn, that's why you're experimenting, that's why you're trying it out, right? But we're so, still so wired to, like.
Ana Jones: care about, oh, you know, this person's looking at me, or they're laughing at me when that, you know, they may not even be looking at you or laughing at you, but it's because you are thinking that, that's what it looks like. So.
Ana Jones: I mean, it's really… Like you said, there really are no excuses.
Ana Jones: Only the ones that you're making up in your head.
Ana Jones: And so, if you're listening to this right now, I would say.
Ana Jones: Try something new, something that excites you, is thinking about the word turn on.
Ana Jones: And I was like, This word… Abraham Hicks says it a lot, says it a lot.
Ana Jones: Tapped in, tuned on… tuned in, turned on.
Ana Jones: And…
Ana Jones: on Thursday, when I went to this event that I was… that I was, you know, sharing to Laura that I went to with my boyfriend, I was… I was, like, turned on. Like, I literally felt like there was a fire inside of me that was, like.
Ana Jones: Like, that just, like… was ignited.
Ana Jones: And I think that
Ana Jones: You hear all these things, you watch all these reels, you listen to all these videos.
Ana Jones: But You don't actually get it until you experience it.
Ana Jones: You know? Because I've heard so many times, do what lights you up. I was like, what the fuck does that mean?
Ana Jones: And when I was lit up, I felt like my body was turned on, like somebody, like, turned a knob, and the light inside me just expanded and grew. I was like.
Ana Jones: Oh, this is it.
Ana Jones: This is how I know what lights me up.
Laura Mazzotta: Correct, and it's funny because I just had one of my Akashic Records certification students just did her final reading for me this morning, and it felt so good. I love receiving from my… it's just for my clients, it feels so good. Anyway…
Laura Mazzotta: And so, yeah, she was talking about this concept of just, you know, allowing yourself to…
Laura Mazzotta: to feel bigger, right? To feel bigger than you already are, and to… it's not just like, oh yeah, that feels good, yeah, okay, I can go do that, yeah, that feels nice, but it's like a… what really, really lights you up. And to really discern the difference between the two does take a presence with yourself, does take rest in creating that space with yourself so that you can feel into
Laura Mazzotta: the difference, because it can be a subtle nuance, especially if you're a passionate person, and a multi-passionate person, where it's like, there's a lot of things that excite me, there's a lot of things that turn me on, but what is the thing that, like, turns me all the way on, like you said? And having that discernment to recognize it, and you're… just as much as you take this space to rest, you're opening yourself up
Laura Mazzotta: To the spectrum of that, which also includes a complete opening to how bright you can be, how passionate you can feel, how turned on
Laura Mazzotta: you can feel, because you're taking that space to tune in, and know those signals with clarity, and know the difference between, yeah, I really want to do that, and oh my gosh, this is life-changing, my entire body is lighting up.
Ana Jones: Yeah.
Laura Mazzotta: So you're expanding opportunity for yourself.
Ana Jones: Yeah.
Ana Jones: 100%. So, yeah, like, give yourself the opportunity to feel that if you've never felt it before.
Ana Jones: And like Laura was saying, you know, it's starting by making that choice.
Ana Jones: you have so many resources, maybe too many resources, and that may be part of the problem, right? But you also have the capacity to be like, okay, I'm gonna focus on one thing, right? Leave the labels behind, leave the excuses behind, it's just like, I'm gonna do it no matter what.
Ana Jones: Because then, you know, everything… all the excuses come, the stories come, the beliefs come. It's like, no, I'm gonna fucking do this no matter what, and you keep doing it, and you keep doing it, and you keep doing it, and you keep doing it, and then…
Ana Jones: you realize, like, oh, this is what… this is what they were talking about. This is what it feels to be lit up. This is what it feels to be excited about something, or about someone.
Laura Mazzotta: It's devotion.
Ana Jones: Yeah.
Laura Mazzotta: We're so devoted, we're so devoted externally.
Ana Jones: We're so focused on what that's going to offer us, and it does offer us things, but they're temporary.
Laura Mazzotta: And… you can't take that with you.
Laura Mazzotta: So, thank you so much for listening. If you have…
Laura Mazzotta: Followed us to the end of this episode, and we would love to hear what feels like rest to you.
Laura Mazzotta: and…
Laura Mazzotta: what you're going to claim and choose leaving this episode. Thank you so much for receiving us, and we will see you very soon on our next episode of the Freedom Frequency Series. Bye for now.