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Jenna 0:25
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Laura 0:40
and I'm Laura Mazzotta, an Akashic therapist. Sit back, relax, and receive as new insights enter your awareness during these illuminating conversations. Welcome to another episode of The Divinely Grounded Podcast. Jenna and I have a conversation already going that we needed to bring here into a recording, and it's about the subconscious mind, it's about doing subconscious work, like going in and excavating subconscious material, so that we can open up space to expand, and there's obviously a brilliant impact to this work, and, and I love it. I think it's very, very helpful, and I also see how it can become a bit of a runaway train in a rabbit hole that cannot serve us. So, we were just having this discussion about it, because I have this belief that we don't need to dive into the subconscious mind to excavate things, because 95% of our mind's content exists in the subconscious, and friends just realize you're not going to be excavating everything that exists within it before the end of this lifetime, like you're just not going to, so if you're going into digging mode, like you can be digging for the rest of your life, which is fine, like you can do that, and that's going to open up space for you, and I like this idea of intentionally diving into subconscious material to create space, because we want to expand and we want to open up opportunity for more things to arrive to us, but we don't want to make it our job, we want to do that when we feel like we're drawn to do that. I think that when we make it our job, and that's like the primary focus of our work, either as professionals or as somebody who's in personal development, it can become this like fixation on the content of our subconscious material. So, what are your thoughts on this, Jonah?
Jenna 2:42
I feel like it's.. it can become very extracting. What do you.. what the.. what's the word you use? Excavating.
Laura 2:51
Yes,
Jenna 2:52
yeah, that's what it.. that's exactly what it is, because it feels like you're just diving deeper, deeper, deeper. And what is the ultimate goal? So, I mean, yeah, if you, if you come across something like, if you're in a weird space, and you're like, okay, I want to dive into to understand why I'm feeling this way, then sure, use that as a, as a tool, as a form of self-discovery, but I think that when we dive deeper and deeper and just start pulling at shit, it can just really, it can be very disruptive, and I think at that point it pulls you out of higher consciousness, as opposed to inviting you further into it.
Laura 3:34
Yeah, and I think we can then get kind of swirling in the mind, and we can feel defeated, and all of these things, because we're just digging so much up, and I also think that when we go into subconscious material, there's there's meaning associated with it, there's content associated, we're talking about like either a experience or even if we're talking about past lives, things that we're trying to understand, just like you were saying, like if you want to know why, because you get stuck in a certain space, fine, but I would also ask you, why do you want to know why? Like, what's the purpose behind knowing why? Sometimes that is beneficial, and it can kind of put our minds at ease, or help us shift our mindset and make a decisive move towards a new way. Great, I love that, but I also think that sometimes we can get caught up in curiosity, whether it comes to things in the subconscious that are from this lifetime or past lives, and and we want to know why just out of curiosity, and information is a nice shiny object, and it's great. It serves us, but it's also not the depth of sensation and presence with self that we get when we're in higher consciousness. And I think there's a place for both, but I think that there's a place to trust the arrival and the awareness of subconscious material when we are. Are immersed in a space of higher consciousness, and we feel more and more of our essence,
Jenna 5:05
exactly that, and it's not compulsive, because I view, yeah, it feels compulsive, like you're just going and going, going, and trying to find more and more and more, and if you're doing that in the, in the interest of creating more space and growth. I don't know if that necessarily does that
Laura 5:25
well, because what else creates more space is expanding into higher levels of consciousness. There is just more and more and more spaciousness,
Jenna 5:33
exactly. And I think that it pulls you further out of presence. I think the biggest thing that we can do to grow more and to expand more is to be in full presence with ourselves and with what's around us and what we're receiving, what we're witnessing, and I think that when we're diving into stories, narratives, our past wounds, past lives, any of that shit, it's pulling us out of where we are right now and inviting us back backwards into bullshit and into the sensations of those things that we don't necessarily need or that are going to enhance our growth in any way. We're just feeling them to, I don't know, to operate differently now. Like, do we feel it to repattern ourselves, that's a way we can do it, right? But how again, at what point does that become more disruptive than it becomes growth enhancing,
Laura 6:33
right? Like it's it distorts the witnessing,
Jenna 6:37
yes,
Laura 6:38
because now you're witnessing essence, witnessing self through a dirty lens, right, a lens that now has all the shit dredged up, and again, if you're expanding into higher consciousness, into more spaciousness, the nervous system is going to have a reaction to that, the mind's going to have a reaction to that, because it's used to being tethered and safe and patterned and conditioned, and so it's going to have a reaction. Those are the reactions that we get to meet as the shadowy or subconscious sides of ourselves that are coming forward to say it's, it's throwing me off a little bit to expand to this level of spaciousness, and we get to be with that part of ourselves, we get to transmute it sometimes. Understanding will come forward, sometimes it won't, but it's it's offering space for that, so that we can continue to open into a wider and deeper version of who we are. And I think that sometimes depth can be distorted into thinking that we need to dive down into the shamanic underworld or into the subconscious mind, whatever you want to call it, in order to get to know ourselves better. When actually the core of ourselves, the truth of ourselves, exists in spiritual form before we even showed up on this plane, and so when we get to be a match to that frequency when we get to be immersed in relationship with that essence of ourselves, that's when we can feel and see more of all of our layers, but from a perspective that doesn't have a bunch of story attached to it.
Jenna 8:19
Yeah, and I think the best way to meet yourself and to see yourself as for like for who you are is to witness and be present with yourself now, like don't look at the past, you like don't dive into how you operated with something in the past until you're excavating something old to witness yourself and say, oh, this is who I am. No, like, look at who you are now, how you operate now. We're moving forward, not not within, not back, we're expanding out.
Laura 8:58
Yeah, and I also think what, what you're saying is, is bringing up this concept that when we're looking forward, and it's like, well, I want to expand, so I want to clear space to do that. Then that indicates to me that I feel like there's some kind of block for me to move forward that I have to clear, or that indicates to me that there's some kind of lack within me that exists between or is creating a gap between where I am now and where I'm going, instead of recognizing that where I desire to go already exists now, so coming into resonance with that and attuning to that little by little, or in one fell swoop, whatever your nervous system is up for, I think is what we're talking about, right?
Jenna 9:54
Yeah, and I also think that even the the framing of wanting to go into. Conscious stuff to create more space is flawed. I think that concept in itself is flawed. Why, why do we need to again extract parts of us that are again old, wounded, past lives, whatever it may be, to create the space for something that we desire, to create the space for how we want to move, to create the space for what we desire to draw in. Why, why does something have to be pulled out in order to bring something new in? Why do we think we are finite in space to where we have to clear something to invite something else. Why can't we just invite more?
Laura 10:49
Thank you so much. That's exactly what I was thinking, because I'm like, but wait, spaciousness just is right, like spaciousness is a frequency that we can call in at any time, and we have access to infinite space at all times. I mean, the level at which we can expand into spaciousness is, I mean, never ending, like we can constantly be doing that, and so that can be a chase too, right? Like, that can be a chase too, which is why I think your conversation about presence is so important, because you don't want to either step into an expansive space and higher consciousness because you have this perfectionistic drive to ascend or like to become like the embodied spirit, like you know, like it doesn't have to be this project,
Jenna 11:39
I want to be the embodied spirit
Laura 11:42
you already are, my love. We already areas is.
Jenna 11:46
but I also think it this invites like a layer of self love, because when you're inviting more into you without having to extract and push anything else out, you're loving the whole of yourself, you're allowing those things to exist and to not necessarily, I mean, tend to them in a way that it's that you're bringing them forward to to become them, like I'm not gonna like I have patterns in my subconscious that I have or and still actively rewiring when I notice them, but I don't go into a space where I'm saying I need to clear this out of my body so that I can operate differently, or so that I can operate everything that I desire, or so that I can have everything that I desire come into my field and come into my life, because I want to wholly honor whatever that is within my subconscious, so that I can be in in higher consciousness from a space of deeper understanding and from loving myself within that, not from saying get it out, because I need something else. It's no
Laura 13:07
full self integration,
Jenna 13:09
exactly the whole of me.
Laura 13:13
It's like wrapping your arms around all of you, and so it's more about for people who are wondering, how do I, you know, concretely do this, and higher consciousness. For me, it's about entering that space and asking for whatever parts of you desire to be seen to come up in that moment, or if there's a part, an area where you're feeling stuck, or you're where you desire to to be shown something that you might not be totally getting within that you ask for it and I think sometimes that's going to be, wow, there's a sensation of freedom that came up in my body that I didn't realize was there, sometimes it's going to be a wow, there's a fear here, you know, that I didn't know was here. So, sometimes you're going to be shown a future version of self. Sometimes you're going to be shown an aspect of self that already exists, that you just weren't aware has already come into your, your auric field, like your energy field, but your hasn't really caught up in terms of like awareness or embodiment yet, and sometimes it's going to show you the fear that's there, and you'll know this specifically when you are in relationship with the body, and you're in touch with the subtle sensation that comes up either in emotion or in the physical body when you're in a higher consciousness state, to be able to kind of cue you, it's almost like they light up, like parts of your body will light up, you know, or your emotion will light up, and just call your attention to, hey, like this is where I'm living right now, or I'm using this aspect of self to show you. Um, what is honestly coming to the surface because it wants to be transmuted. I think that's why presence is so important, like you said, because when we're present with ourselves, those aspects that are kind of ready to show themselves, can we trust our energy? Can we trust our bodies? Can we trust those aspects of self to come forward, instead of, like, I'm gonna dig you out, because I want to get to my goal. Oh, it just feels a little harsh, just
Jenna 15:27
a little, yeah. Or when it comes out to not just be like, oh, gotta clear that, gotta clear that, gotta clear that, because that can just be so exhausting.
Laura 15:37
Thank you. This is the tiring part of it that you and I were talking about before we started to record, it's tiring, and I think that it is partially tiring, because let's be clear, when we're dealing with the subconscious, we're still dealing with the mind, we're working with the mind, the mind is the thing, right, and so if I'm going to play around with the mind, even if it's the subconscious, I'm going to be in the mind, right, and I don't want to be just in the mind, it's kind of like the workshop I just did on Beyond the Mind, like we want to go beyond the mind, and we want to use the mind. Let's go beyond the mind first to get ourselves into this higher conscious estate, to feel into that sensation of our essence, and be in full presence with all aspects of self. And then let's use what's coming up in the mind, conscious or subconscious. Let's use it.
Jenna 16:42
I like that, shifting it to being a tool.
Laura 16:46
Yeah, because I know, I mean, you know, I've been a therapist for over 22 years. I spent a lot of my life helping people with subconscious material and doing hypnotherapy and bringing forward those aspects of self that people couldn't necessarily see or understand, and talking about the stories that were seen and unseen, and and there's a place for that, and I also know that there's a reason that I transitioned into this work, because the depth of this and the long term change of being in a space of higher consciousness, while you're doing this work, we're not getting rid of it, but while you're doing this work, and bringing them together, and co-creation is, is so much more powerful, brings you to depth so much faster, and I think the most importantly is that we heal and see ourselves so much more gently, like it's so much more loving, like that self love you were talking about.
Jenna 17:47
Yeah, and you learn to trust yourself more, because I think when you start extracting these things, and from my experience with therapy, I always felt like shit after, because I'd, we'd always be talking about past wounds, and why I feel XYZ way now is because of something in the past, right? Just traditionally speaking, and so I would always feel like ass when I left therapy, and I think that bringing higher consciousness into it and having this relationship with your mind allows you to trust what's coming forward and allows you to feel safe when it does, because I think doing this subconscious extractive shit starts to make your body feel unsafe when it has a sensation, because all of a sudden you start getting into this, like almost like a flight or a freeze response, because it's like, oh shit, what's coming up? What does it mean? What am I going to have to transmute or extract from myself? What is what is arriving that I don't want to be arriving that's going to impact something else, and you can start to get in this really like this cycle of like mind fuckery and paralysis, almost, and then you're not in higher consciousness anymore, and you're just wholly in the and wholly in in a sensation that isn't even entirely yours. It is old,
Laura 19:21
it's not you,
Jenna 19:22
yeah.
Laura 19:24
What you just said is so fucking important. I'm like, I just like had my eyes closed and was just receiving as you were saying that, because I just, I feel like that's the key right there is the safety piece, and I think that when we.. there's so many messages out there in the online space and the coaching industry, you know, about clearing the subconscious, and again I've shared how I value that, but I think that it can be, unfortunately, I think that it's it's used in a very unethical way because. Is we talk about being in a state of higher consciousness, and so we feel much more safely held there, right? Some people don't, some people don't yet, you know, or they haven't fully established that level of safety and higher consciousness, and so then they rely on their coach, or their mentor, or somebody in their life, or something, to kind of hold them safely as they're working through this subconscious material, and I think that this is where it's okay. We're going to dig up all this stuff, and then you can pay me double the amount, so that I can support you in between with text messaging. And although I love that aspect of the coaching industry, that there is that flexibility to be able to message with clients, so that you can rewire the nervous system in real time. I think that it can also be used to, unfortunately, put people into this state of, well, we're going to dig it up, and then we're going to keep talking about it, and although we're going to rewire it, and you're going to strengthen, you're still going to be in it, and I'm like, why are we spending all of this time swimming around in old trauma? To me, I'm like, dude, this is why I left being a traditional therapist, because not because I didn't like it, because I saw the lack of efficacy, not just in my clients, but in the entire fucking mental health system, so I really want you to operate with discernment when you're looking at your expansion, both in personal development and in consciousness, where it's like, okay, I'm going to, I am, I'm interested in expanding who I am, I'm interested in continuing to grow into who I am. Great, I love that, and I want you to recognize that you can absolutely do this with a lightness of being, with levity, with humor, with perspective, with a certain level of detachment from these stories and narratives that are coming up within you, and a real recognition that they are not you, at the same time that you are letting the energy move and show itself.
Jenna 22:11
Think detachment is huge, and I love everything that you just said, because you get to recognize within these things, like, you know, these things are not you yet, they've come from your wounded past, quote unquote, but it's like you get to appreciate where you are now, again bring yourself back into presence and appreciate yourself, look at your again, quote unquote wounded past, look at all these aspects of you that are coming up in your body that you may or may not be extracting yourself or that are just arriving for you at any given point, and recognize that they're here for you, sure, for a reason, or just because they're passing through, because something you know pinged it that you're going through now, but again, be in presence with yourself and recognize where you are, recognize who you are, because in every present moment you get to decide how you move forward and who you are.
Laura 23:08
I love that, and I think it's so perfect to end on that and remind people of what you were saying about integration, recognizing who you are now, choosing who you are now, and allowing those threads of self from the past, from previous lifetimes, whatever is existing in your subconscious to just softly be here. You can softly be here. My choice is the same, but you can softly be here. You know you're not my primary driver anymore, that doesn't mean that I kicked you out of the van, but you're, you're not my primary driver. Maybe you're in the fourth row.
Jenna 23:50
Yeah, there you go.
Laura 23:51
You may or may not have a seat belt with, you know, like a sunroof above you that you could just be ejected out of
Jenna 24:04
I like this,
Laura 24:04
I mean, that could potentially happen if you decide to fly, but it's you're not my primary driver anymore. Yeah, I love this. Thank you so much. Because the detachment is, I think, a very challenging process for a lot of people, and honestly, I, my perspective working on so many modalities in the mental health field and the subconscious mind, even energy work, the best tool for detachment is higher consciousness, because that's when you really, really feel and know the essence of self, and that's when you have the clarity to really be able to say, oh, that's definitely not me, like that is definitely not the true core version of me, and I don't know that we can really access that with consistent confidence unless we have that housed memory in the body. And in our knowing, because we've experienced it enough times in higher consciousness, and when I say higher consciousness people that could be meditation, that could be the Akashic Records, that could be, you know, trance work, like whatever, you know, whatever floats your boat, but you know, whatever gets you into that essence of self and sensation. So, is there anything else you want to add, Jenna?
Jenna 25:21
no. I think that was beautiful.
Laura 25:23
Thank you so much, everybody, for being here with us. If you have any questions, drop them in the show notes. We love you, and we will see you on our next episode. Have a beautiful day.
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