Laura 0:00
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Jenna 0:25
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Laura 0:40
and I'm Laura Mazzotta, an Akashic therapist. Sit back, relax and receive as new insights. Enter your awareness during these illuminating conversations. Welcome to Episode 15 of divinely grounded. I am bringing forward a topic that I've been discussing with Jenna around my youngest daughter, and I wanted to bring it here into a conversation, because it doesn't feel complete, and I want it to continue to show itself, because there's more energy here that I want to extract. So my youngest daughter is very demanding. And I'm sure a lot of you parents out there can understand a very demanding child. She is 10 at the time of this recording, and she's she's always been a demanding child, but it's interesting because she goes through these kind of swings, like phases where she's exceptionally demanding, to the point of, like, literally constant, where I don't even have a second, where she's not asking for something either to be done, for her, to be purchased, for her, there's always something she needs. And it's it almost, it feels like obsessive compulsive. It feels like like hoarding, right? Like I just, I just want, want, want, want, and it's very frustrating, and it's something that I've met from a number of different angles, and it's, it's something I desire to have less frustration with as I go forward as well, so and to really understand from an energetic perspective, because there's purpose in it, otherwise it wouldn't exist for her. So the one thing that I came to, and I've had discussions with her about this, the last time this happened, that she was kind of in this phase, we talked about how, like, I'm like, what is it that you get? Like, what is it that you receive when you get somebody to do something for you, or somebody to get something for you, and she's like, well, I feel special. Like, okay, so that's what you're looking for, right? You're looking to feel special. So let's talk about other ways that you feel special, and ways that you can receive that feeling independently, or you know, like, through your connection with Spirit, through your connection with yourself, through your natural day to day, things that you do in your life, or choose to do things on your own, without feeling like you're just kind of extracting and pulling from outside of you, right? So that was kind of round 632 and now we are. We're in another phase of this, and and I was feeling like it was, it was a similar thing, right? And, yes, some of this is behavioral, and I have set limits around this and, and that's effective as well. But, um, but I was on a walk this morning, and I messaged Jenna, because I was like, Wait a second. I feel this. Because I was feeling with this coach that I have who's putting out all of these activations day after day right now that I was like, I love receiving from her. Like, I'm so grateful I get to receive these things. I love receiving this. And then another, like an old coach of mine, was like, oh, I want to do 30 readings in 30 days, and I would love to offer you one and connect with you. And I was like, Oh, I love receiving from her. And it was interesting, because I was, like, the first thought that came into my mind was, wait, am I just gonna, like, download all these things and get all these things and then kind of hoard them, like, not fully listen to them, not fully receive them? And I immediately went to, no, of course you are, because you have, you hold these in very high value, and you create space for these things. Now, like, you create space for this and and you choose not to receive things, even if they're free, even if they sound amazing, if it is not something that is is feels really, really valuable to who you're becoming. And I was like, Wait a second, this is what Madeline's doing my youngest. Like, I'm like, I wonder if this has to do with because she's, she's the most tapped in spiritually than any of my children. She's the most intuitive. She naturally has downloads, like, all the time. She does card readings like, she's incredible, and she's, to me, she feels like a healer 100% and. And possibly even a medium, to be honest with you, but, um, but anyway. And so I was like, Wait a second, this is a girl who plays with the universe, who knows how to play with the universe, not necessarily from a conscious intention all the time, but like she feels energy so freaking palpably, and she picks this shit up like a champ. And so I'm like, maybe she's just receiving, right? Maybe she loves to receive, like I was talking about, she loves to receive. And it can feel like she's hoarding it, because I'll get her things and she, like, won't even touch them, right? And so then it's like, okay, well, why did you really need to get that? And so it's like, alright, is this really a hoarding thing? Which I really don't think it is, or because that also feels like heavy and dark to me, it doesn't feel like her energy. And so I was like, she just really likes to receive, and she knows that there's an infinite amount to receive, because she's tapped into this universal energy. And so she's receiving, receiving. And the difference here is that I have sharper intuitive discernment, because I'm 46 and she's 10, and so it's like really bringing in that intuitive discernment around she doesn't know how to cultivate all that. So she like, she knows how to receive, but she's in the process now. This is, I think, where invitation is right now, to to be in more presence of the energy that gets received when she receives something, whether it's a material object, whether it's somebody doing something for her, and she gets to learn how to be in really immersive space with that. So she's not only deeply receiving it, but so that she's kind of feeling the edges of that energy and being able to identify what feels most valuable and what doesn't. So I know I shared this with you, and I was eager for for your response and kind of what was coming up in your field, because I love your reflections. And that's when we said, let's record. So is there anything that arises for you as you receive this?
Jenna 7:01
You know what we've talked about in the past with her, when she's had things going on with friends. Is what this brought up with me too, is this concept of receipt and wanting and demanding more from people, because she can see it right, because she has the awareness of it, and she knows that there is more in there, and that she can see past just the surface level bullshit of people and of things. So it's an interesting wrinkle to me when it comes to the material aspect of things, because it's like she can see through people and want more from them, and want more of them, because she can see that yet there's this, I don't know. I don't know blind spot is the right word, but it's kind of like a blind spot with material things, because it's like, I want that thing, but you don't see past it into the receipt of it, right, like you were saying, like seeing through that. So it makes me wonder, what is the, what is the thing, the quote, unquote thing that is attached to with the material that is so different than when it's a person that you're seeing? And I wonder if that aspect is the fact that it is so much easier for us to see other souls as opposed to being with and tapping into our own. Because I think when it's a material thing, it's more about your own soul and more about your own needs, as opposed to looking at someone else and saying, no, look, there's more in you. I can see it because we tend to not really look at ourselves, right?
Laura 8:50
Okay, so that's brilliant. Thank you so much for sharing that. There's a couple of things coming up as you're talking about this. One is, I agree it's like this concept of filling Right? Like we talk about filling ourselves. And so we can fill ourselves with food. We can fill ourselves with with external validation. We can fill ourselves with material items, right? And so there's this concept of filling and it's really just when we recognize that it's like, okay, well, I'm being invited to fill myself, but spiritually, with self love, with self compassion, whatever. So that piece comes up, and I think particularly in the context of the social piece. Thank you so much for bringing that up, because I didn't connect the two. And that makes a lot of sense, because with that, even when you're talking about like other souls versus just your soul, this also brings in a control component to a degree, because it's like she can't control other souls. And I think, you know, that's really interesting too, because it even brings up where I've had frustration being a therapist of over 20 years, seeing people that you can see that in other people, and they're just like, I don't want to rise to that. I want to stay stuck. Of my shit, right? And that's frustrating. And of course, I've learned, like, everybody has their own sovereign path, and you can discern that when you're an adult, but as a child, that's frustrating, because it's like she's, she's almost, it's like She's inviting people in, in a way, and they're kind of like, dude, I'm 10. I want to, like, play in the playground.
Jenna 10:19
And it's interesting, because, again, that wrinkle of talking about like people in therapy, right? And you can see it, and you see them not rise to it. And I think a part of that is because of the the comfort of what they're in, right? But also there is an element of attention that they get by staying in what they're in, and that's the attention from other people, as opposed to the attention from themselves. Because if they're giving attention to themselves and they will rise up to it, and they will meet that, right? But if they're not giving attention to themselves and they want it from other people, they'll stay in their shit.
Laura 10:53
See, okay, this is giving me chills, because what this is bringing me to is my daughter's human design chart, and her do human design chart, she has an open solar plexus, which is the emotional center, which means that she's really feeling everybody else's shit. She's really feeling everybody else's emotions. Most of her emotional experience is really others emotional experience. So it's almost like she takes that on. I mean, I know she takes that on, but it's almost like she takes that on, and then can get, like, overstimulated or overwhelmed, because it almost feels like she's carrying all of it some of the time. And so when coming back to this concept of like, control and feeling like, well, you know, there's not much I can do with other people like, I can't, I can't like, demand that other people rise to the occasion. Because I've seen, first of all, I've seen how that has done me a disservice in social relationships and in other relationships, and it just doesn't work, right? Like it doesn't, it doesn't work. And so I think when you're asking about the difference between the material thing and the social thing, I think it's because, and this is one of the concepts that started coming up for me when I was thinking about her just recognizing how much she can receive right and continue is that there's a demanding nature to material items that she has freedom to step into, that she doesn't with other people, where it's like, I demand that right, and if I can demand that, and we have the resources to access it, I can get that right? Like, that's effective. And so what, what I like about her energy is, she's, she's very bold, right? She's, she's very bold, she's very boss ass energy. And so she will, she is demanding receipt. Like we talk about the different layers of receiving. It's like, okay, well, I can lay back and receive. I can allow myself to receive. I can come into deep gratitude around what I'm already receiving or what I've already received. And the next level of receipt really getting to that boss babe level that people talk about is commanding receipt from your environment, like going out and like, you can ask for it. You can be like, hey, I really desire a hug right now. Or I really desire this right now, or I really desire to be filled by your love right now. Or whatever it is you need right or I really desire a banana right now, because I really want a banana, but it's like you being able to reach for receipt, and then there's commanding receipt, like I know that I am meant to receive right now. And so I like the energy of that, because it is her claiming her birthright. It is her claiming her birthright. And I think the what she's getting better at is releasing attachment to outcome of that. She can still command it, she can still demand it, but she's not as like tantrum you when she doesn't get what she wants. And what I used to feel was like she's so entitled, right? Like she's so entitled. And I hate this entitled energy, and it's disgusting, and I won't stand for it. And blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And it's, it's, in a way, and this is one thing I said when I became a parent, was I was like, I would rather, I would rather give my children more over the top, then have them feel like they like they've been neglected or their needs weren't met, and that's because I grew up in a space of neglect and a lot of different ways. And so that was my own wounding coming into the picture, but and so it was like, oh gosh, did I create a monster? You know what I mean? Because I'm not an over giver by any chance, by any shape or form, because I balance it right. I give a lot, but I balance it with limit setting and and boundaries and things like that. And I think that's what she's what she's learning is, how can I command receipt while I continue to recognize that it's not required for me to maintain my emotional state, to maintain my energetic state?
Jenna 14:37
Yeah, I can feel that that being the shift lately, because I think, like you were talking about with control, I think there was an aspect of control in the material, because, yes, you're commanding what you want, but the element of control is the fact that you can't always get it. Like, you know you want it, you know you could, you can have it. You know that it's already yours, yet you're not getting it. And I don't know, I mean, that can be an. Aspect of age. You know what I mean, but, but also, I think it's I really like this shift that you're bringing up, because it's not so much the tantruminess anymore.
Laura 15:11
No, it isn't, but, but it is a consistent command. And so I think that it is. It's meeting that with, let's, let's hold this energy right? Instead of me attaching it to what it is she's asking for, being like, you know what? Let's let's be with this energy of you commanding what you desire. Let's fucking go like, I am here for that. I am here for you doing that, right? Let's be in presence with the bigness of that energy. Because I think that could be one of the reasons, too, that she doesn't necessarily, let's say, use some of the things she receives or whatever. Because it's almost like I see how much I can receive, and I ask for it and did it, and I don't get everything I want all the time. So I'm learning that surrender piece like you were just talking about. But also, when she receives at the level at which she desires and commands, she has trouble holding it all and it almost like overwhelms her field, and she's just got to, like, zone out, yeah.
Jenna 16:09
And I think it's also detaching from who you're getting it from, not consistently attaching to receiving it from you or from Dino, right? It's detaching who she's receiving it from and looking that, looking inward there too. Yeah, like command receipt from yourself.
Laura 16:29
Oh, I like that. Oh, that's the deeper invitation.
Jenna 16:36
Jenna, yeah, command it from yourself. You don't always have to be demanding from from others and from those who you know love you and want to give to you,
Laura 16:46
correct, because it's external. Again, exactly. Let's be, let's clearly put in this caveat that she's the third child, so you know that too, fucking classic. But I want you. I want to ask you this and see what comes through is like. So how does a child, I'm going to say an early teen, because it's really kind of where she is, right? Oh, she would really like that. Oh, my No, My God, please. Let's keep the attire to a 10 year old. But how do they command their own receipt and that at that age level, right with, without getting to that necessarily metacognition, you know what I mean? Because it's not a cognitive process.
Jenna 17:31
I think a lot of it has to do with self appreciation. Like, you know, a lot of the things that she does, like, like the crafting and like all of this other stuff, like, I think it's taking a pause and looking at what you've done and not just moving on to the next thing right away. I think in that way you can receive your creation. I think in that way you can appreciate things that you can do for yourself. And it can be simple, like making food, like making like her fruit, stuff that she does, right? Not demanding that it's from you. Why don't she do it herself, and then look, and be like, Look what I can offer to myself. And it's simple
Laura 18:09
That’s why she keeps asking me to make frickin sorbet. I swear to God, if she asked me to make sorbet one more time, which is what we're doing after we record this episode, we're making fucking sorbet. Okay, yeah, make her do more about it. And she was just like, I'll make it myself. I'm like, Yes, you can make it yourself, except for the really, really sharp blades on the ninja that I just purchased. But I'm a little bit uncomfortable having you do on your own. Got a Ninja Professional Auto IQ so proud. I did my research anyway. So we're going to be making sorbet after this, but it's she does she and you know what that? I think that's another piece that's really important that you just shared. She is, she is at that space where she wants, she does desire to do more herself she does. And she, she's selective about that, of course, but I think inviting her more into that, which I always do, but I think it's really, it's gotta come from her, because if it comes from me, she's like, in terms of inviting her into that, she's going to be resistant to it. But I think it's that pause, like you said, of being with those creations, and that pause of, I think being in presence with herself while she is creating, not in the praise or response of other people around her while she's creating, but just be in presence with that process.
Jenna 19:31
Yeah, and really sink into it more to where you're not doing it to get to the next thing you know, like I'm going to read for 30 minutes before I go to bed because and then thinking about not wanting to go to bed while you're reading, you know what I mean, like just being preoccupied by the next thing that comes after what you're doing.
Laura 19:51
So, yeah, it's actually gotten really good about that. Yeah, she's gotten really good about that. Yeah, she really enjoyed, she really does enjoy the process. Process. She really does enjoy the process, but then it's like, when that's done, it's not that she's been waiting to get to that next thing, but then it's like, okay, well, what do I do now? Right? It's a little bit of that, because she is very, very creative and very she has a million ideas. She's a multi passionate and she is, she has a lot of ideas, and it's like and that's why I say to her in her journal, write down all of your ideas. Write them all down. You know, capture them if you want to write them down, write them down. I love that you're creative. I love your ideas, right? And then we will be present with them when the energy feels right for that to to unfold for you, or if you need my help, I think that brings in I just want to touch base on this boredom piece, because I feel like that plays into this as well, of that desiring stimulation. And I think this is something that a lot of people really attribute to ADHD and dopamine seeking, pleasure seeking parts of the brain, things like that. And I'm not saying that's not part of it at all. I mean, we are human beings, but I also know that there is a very artistic, unique energy behind that that, again, is very aware of how much can be created and how much agency we have to create. And I think there we go. I think I'm answering my own question. That kind of overstimulates her, and it kind of shuts her down to the point is, like I'm bored, like I have so much shit that I can do, and I have so many ideas, and I do not have any, which is great because and I don't know how to implement them, or which one to do first. And so it's that pause and prioritization, but it's also making me recognize that it's not helpful for me to say you literally have 5000 things to do in this house. And I'll tell you, here's all the things you can do. And I'm realizing now that that actually probably adds to the overstimulation. So I can shift that approach. I love this. This is very helpful. What would you say is, like, yeah, like, what is remaining in this, if anything, or, you know, a real takeaway that’s supportive for other people.
Jenna 22:16
I don't know why habits keep coming into my head. I know we had an episode on this, yeah, but I don't know why that's coming into my head as some sort of, like, maybe, like a touchstone in receipt of yourself just creating specific things, like, maybe just practice right? Like creating certain things throughout the day, like how we would have spiritual practice and saying, I want to meditate, right? Maybe having certain habits around her creation that will help her receive herself more, maybe not so, quote, unquote, adult like to be like, I'm going to go meditate. I'm going to go do this. Maybe it's very specific. Well, not that specific, but you know what I mean, very tailored to her own receipt, that she can create habits around and experience every day, things that will bring her maybe out of that over stimulation, space, out of the boredom, but because they're things that she enjoys and things That will make her feel more in touch with herself.
Laura 23:23
Can you give me an example?
Jenna 23:26
Well for her, it's funny because I immediately went to like, I immediately went to like, hard reading, because of how much she likes to do that, and how good she is at it. Because I think that a lot of the times we receive also through giving, right? And we talked about that recently as well, so maybe that's an entirely different type of receipt. Like have her give because she likes it and she enjoys it and she's good at it, and it'll make her feel more confident, and it'll make her receive their reflections as well. And they are, I mean, that's the biggest form of receipt that we can receive, right?
Laura 24:09
I really love that. That is the key. Ding, ding, ding, when you were talking about giving, because she loves that she will spend days and days and days. I mean, she just, like, on her own, she was upstairs in her room on her iPad, like, I don't know, like, a week and a half ago or something I can't remember. And I was like, What the hell is she doing? She's like, is she just, like, watching TV up there? What's going on? So I went up there, and I was just like, hey, what's going on? And she had made this, like, whole slideshow for my older daughter, who was going to college, and it was so, I mean, it just brought me to tears. She was like, she put all these pictures together and just was writing her messages about how much she's going to miss her, and then has spent almost every day since then creating this entire gift package full of things for my older daughter. She's sewn her thing. Things. She's painted her things. She's made cross stitch. She's like, all, I mean, it's, it's unless she wrote her a letter. And, um, yeah, I she loves to do that. She loves to invite friends over. And every time she invites friends over, she likes to make them little gift bags where she sews something and then she draws something, and she makes a bracelet or, you know, and and she loves that, and it's very fulfilling for her. And that is something I really love that you brought this up. Thank you so much, because that is something that she's not attached to their receipt, like she's really it fills her to just create it for them and to give it to them. Thank you. This is, yeah, very helpful.
Jenna 25:46
And then, and then in doing that, I mean, does she not receive her own love?
Laura 25:49
She does 100%
Jenna 25:52
Yeah
Laura 25:55
That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Jenna 25:59
Good!
Laura 25:59
Thank you. Thank you. This was very supportive. And I think just offering this space to be, and just like holding her in this very reverent space, and I think that when we are parents, we can easily get, you know, a narrow focus tunnel vision, yeah, like a narrow focus around behaviors, around, patterns around, you know what I mean? And it's so important to just zoom out, ah, just taking a deep breath to feel this opening and this clarity. Just zoom out and really recognize their energy and their their soul and their the purpose of their their patterning and and the way that they're currently operating based on what their soul came here to do and how their soul came here to operate. And it's, it's learning more and more about how the divine works through them, just like we do with other people on this planet. And it's, it's really beautiful. And I think that when you're in this place of supposed responsibility. As a parent, you can get a little bit attached to the the labels of behavior of you know, what things mean, or what this could turn into, or I won't allow this. Or instead of really just zooming back and and leaning back, taking a deep breath and being like, let me witness this soul. Let me witness this energy dancing with this soul, and see what it's doing, right? And that's that's what I did, and my family energy healing, and that's what I am consistently reminded of and brought back to over and over again in my interactions with my family and my loved ones, right is leaning back and really witnessing what is the energy showing. And sometimes that can be like, wait a second, what you know? What I mean? It can be activating. And sometimes it can feel like it's really off the beaten path, but it's, it's very, very it's very informing, because it allows you to see people in their own right and their sovereignty and what they're here for, and not what you think you're supposed to shape them into, or you know how you think you're supposed to raise them so that they are appropriate, functioning humans and society who are not hot mess. Do you know what I'm saying? And so I think there's still like rules and rigidity that we don't even recognize that come up with that, especially as parents. So and if you guys want that family energy healing replay, just shoot me an email. I'll put my email address in the notes of this. Thank you for plugging it. You're so welcome. It's so good. It is. It's very good. It's deep medicine. I'm telling you, I use this, like, at least a few times a week, and it teaches you exactly how to do it, and kind of some troubleshooting, and then concrete steps and how to implement it. But yeah, it's, that's, that's, this is, this is the work of, like, conscious parenting, conscious relationship, that I don't want those standards and those frequencies that we desire and that we're so intentional about in conscious relationship, to bypass our relationships with our children just because there's a different dynamic there. Okay, I feel whole and complete with this. And I also feel like the energy still settling, like I just want to give it some space and let all of this just land and kind of come into its own arrangement to inform me, to inform her, to inform our relationship, to inform our family, yeah, and just know that it already feels cleaner, clearer, more open, directed, but not by me, right by the universe. And I think it's a message for all of us to be more surrendered. I agree. Thank you so much for being in this with me. It's fun. You. Thank you everyone for listening and receiving this. Reach out if you want the family energy healing replay. It's $44 and if there's anything we can do, just support you. Love you, lift you up. You can message either of us. Our information is in the show notes, and we will see you on the next episode. Have a good one.
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