Speaker 1
Hi Friends, welcome back to the second episode in an eight episode series of our relationship chat. The first episode was called relationships as portals to your most expansive healing. So if you have not caught that, go back and catch it because it's awesome and fabulous. And we are awesome and fabulous. And we have a whole plan set out for you guys for each one of these eight episodes in this series. And today, we're going to be talking about normalcy in relationships, when there isn't any normalcy in relationships, FYI, so we're about to talk about that. But we're also going to talk about some of the nervous system patterns that can show up that kind of distort this definition of normalcy. So I guess the first place to start is like, there's no such thing as normalcy and relationships. And I know one of the things that you were talking about Katie, when we first started talking about this topic was like societal norms. Yeah,
Speaker 2
I don't, I feel like it's a big spoiler alert to be like, normalcy doesn't exist in relationships, right? Because when we, we are taught and shown through society norms, that there's a certain way to act, or be or feel or do. And when we chase those type of hits, it's where we, we think that something's wrong, right? Like, based on how we were showing the relationship was meant to look like I put that in quotes, like meant to look look like right. We then have our own relationships as we grow and get older and experience new things. And so if if that doesn't meet that same template, we think that something's wrong, we think that something's broken, that it's, it's false, or that it's not. That's just not true, right? Because that's what we were shown or taught or told, it was supposed to look like. So if we can really come from a place of, of being present with the relationship and the people involved in that, it's going to expand your, it's going to expand your growth, but then just the relationship, because you're, you're going to be able to show up deeply authentic to you and the person that you're with in that in that relationship in that exchange.
Speaker 1
Yeah, I love that. And you know, what it makes me think of it makes me think of doing couples therapy, you know, I've been a therapist for 20 years. And it makes me think of when I would be working with couples, and one of the first exercises we would always do was the relationship inventory, which I think was from Harville Hendricks, I'm pretty sure is where I got that one. But it was really about identifying your ideal template for a relationship now. And this one, it was particularly talking about intimate relationships. But this can apply to any relationships. And it's not just, you know, what is my ideal relationship, when I separate? Any idea of who that relationship is with? Like, just identify what would my ideal relationship template look like and whatever form right, whether it's friendships, intimate relationships, siblings, XY and Z. But then there's also what you kind of called attention to right now, which is also what is my ideal role in relationships? What is like how do I desire to actually show up in a way that makes my nervous system feel relaxed, in a way that makes me feel nourished in a way that makes me feel also expanded? And so it's like, how do I desire to feel and show up in my role in relationships? And also, what is the ideal template that can hold me to be able to show up in that way?
Speaker 2
Yeah, it reminds me of one of our conversations we just had this past week, where something where I was in a relationship with somebody that just irritated me, right? And it spiked to that frustration, and you knew so easily, like zoomed me out to be like, what if it's just energy, right? Like, what if it was just the collective? Or what if it was a client? Or how would you respond to differently? Like, what hat can we put on? Can we put on more of that compassion hat, right. And I think that's part of the template that just because this relationship existed way before I became spiritually awakened, right, doesn't mean that I can't shift into that different role that I can't still hold space with deep compassion and kindness and love. Even though there's some things that are triggering my nervous system right now. Like what really helped defining what does that template look like for me in and it helped me like, through our conversation, I've taken some time to reflect back on that. It's like, it's not just about that one relationship. It's really about the template of me, how do I want to continuously show up, right? I want to offer compassion and love and kindness to everybody. But why is it that I'm emotionally attached to, you know, certain relationships in my life that I can't get beyond that, right? I want to just immediately be like, angry and frustrated and not see the good, right. So it is about creating that template of Who do you desire to be how do you want to show up and care Reading from that space to then take you into all the other relationships.
Speaker 1
Right? And that's I love the way he brought that up, because it's really about focusing on Who do I want to be? And how do I want to operate with other people. And I think you and I have talked about this too, just in terms of like, over the course of our friendship, the number of relationships in our lives and whatever form again, that have shifted form that have transformed that have maybe left our lives that have entered our lives, right, like this is normal, this is how things go is we operate in cycles as human beings. And so it's like not making anyone wrong. In those situations, everyone gets to be exactly how they are, everyone gets to feel exactly how they feel, you know what I mean? And so in that, it's like, okay, they get to feel I don't have to make anyone else wrong. For me to feel like I'm choosing my template, like I'm choosing the way I desire to show up, you know what I mean. And so I think that's really important is when we take and this is on the heels a little bit of what we talked about in episode one, which is like, when we take that full responsibility for our emotional experience, and we don't outsource what other people desire for their template that might conflict with ours, we don't have to make those wrong. And we get to say, I totally see that. And I totally appreciate that. This is my template. And this is how I know, I desire to show up so that I'm at my best. And therefore you're not outsourcing your your power, your love, your your validation that your template is correct, it's just like, I just know, because I feel it in my body. Exactly.
Speaker 2
And that template is how you're going to create your boundaries and your values. And that is how, that's how you're going to continue to show up. But it is a way of being right. And I think the other part that as you were talking, I was like, I don't think this gets talked about nearly enough when you're on like this healing, awakened path is that people come in and out of your life, all the time, people that have been present in your life since day one might change, right? Or new people are gonna come in and like that is just a natural part of the, of the cycle that we're in, in this earth side living, right. Like they they're meant to come into our lives for a reason. And they're meant to leave and they're all here, every relationship, right? This is how it is the expansion into your your soul's deepest embodiment, because there every relationship, everything is here to teach us something. And so when you were talking about that, it's like, yeah, you can stand firm in that template. Knowing that your boundary is set not having guilt or shame, for feeling that way. And having having that really clear. I keep like feel like a box. But it's it's your template, it's free to move how you as you move and as you change and shift, but knowing that you're just able to, to hold you true, and that by you staying truthful and authentic to you, it brings in the people or it helps the other people exit. Right. It's it comes back to that. Yeah.
Speaker 1
I really love this so much. Because it brings in a couple of things for me. I mean, I think that one of the things that it reminds me of is this idea of trusting, right trusting God trusting the universe trusting source that it's always going to be this or something better. So like you said, like almost helping people exit like giving them permission, please, I want you to be in your highest joy. I want everyone on this planet to be in their highest joy. If that doesn't include me, I might have some human grief about that. I might have some human feelings about that. But you know what, like, please go do you like I want more joy. And I know and trust that as you do that. And as I step more into that, I'm going to welcome people who activate me even more than I could have even imagined in my mind. And the other thing this brings up is so funny, this woman who was in my Vitality program, like a year ago, and she ended up booking one of her one on ones like later on a couple months after the program. And we were talking and she said something really brilliant. She's such a brilliant, intuitive. And she said she was like, you know, it's just so funny. Because when we really embody divine perspective and see things from divine perspective, there's so much on this earth just that just seems so silly and irrelevant, right? Like she's like, if you think about it, from God's perspective, it's like, okay, so I brought you this partner for 20 years, or I brought you this friendship or this sibling or whatever it was for this amount of time. And that contract is now complete. Right now that contract is complete, and I have a new project for you, Laura. Like, you know, God's saying here, here's another contract. And this is really fun, and it's really expensive and it's really gonna, you know, blow you wide open. And I'm just like, okay, cool. Like, that sounds fun. But we get all into this like gripping and like, but no, but I'm supposed to be in this forever. And it's but you know, and it's just like why like, why are we grip? Why does this have to be forever like, and I know We have those attachments. That's one of the things Jay said he Jay Shetty says in his book, Think like a monk the number one plight of being human is attachment. And I completely agree attachments to so many things to, to our phones, right to, to objects to our health to our children, you know, so many things we have attachments to and, and when we grip, then it's like that, that that energy doesn't have room to move through the fists. I'm making fist right now. Right? And it's like, and, and when we can just look at it as truly a soul journey. We can say like, Okay, I honor that I'll have human emotions, because I'm human. And I know my soul chose that. But it's also like, okay, like, this is just my journey. All right,
Unknown Speaker
I'm ready for what's next. For
Speaker 1
me. That's a wild concept.
Speaker 2
It really isn't that go back that's going back to those societal norms. We're so we're taught that things are supposed to last forever, or that when you make a decision, it's it's that forever? No, right? Like, you get to change your mind, it's okay to do that you get to, as you learn more about yourself, you get to you get to choose, right, you get to continuously show up for you every single day. And so yeah, that human sauce that we can get caught up in, those are the societal norms, like we get to change that there is nothing defining us there are no rules that we have to play by creator
Speaker 1
of your own reality, which is why I think it's so important to bring forward this nervous system conversation, because I think this can get muddy with the nervous system. Because when we talk about societal norms, the other thing that becomes a norm as nervous system responses, is like our nervous systems are wired from way, way, way back, when to keep us alive, right. But what we don't realize is that we're actually here meant to parent our nervous systems into a new way, right, and being like, I get it, I understand that, like, you want to protect me from this potential bear that you think is coming at me, but dude, we're fine. You know. And so it's like kind of teaching the nervous system that we're in a very different place now, from an evolutionary evolutionary perspective than we were previously. And so we don't have to sit in that survival instinct all the time and have our nervous systems be in hyper vigilance. But I think that what happens is, we get so patterned not only from our history as human beings, but our history and our childhoods, and our history, and our ancestry and our history and past lives, if you believe in those etc. And so what you have to realize as as you choose to be the creator, as you choose to create these new ways, and your new template and all this, your nervous system is shifting around that your nervous system is shifting. And sometimes in those moments, we then chase the dopamine hits, to kind of activate the nervous system and keep ourselves like, you know, in this space of but wait, I need the external validation, because that's where I've always anchored, right? And so it's like, you start making these changes, and then you get this anxiety or you get these freak outs and you think, Wait, I'm doing it wrong, or this isn't the right way. And it is the right way. You just have to allow your nervous system to have a tantrum.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I was just gonna say like, we've had so many conversations, especially recently about like, Have you just tantrum that out? Like, can you just go stomp your feet and shriek and like, listen to the music from when you were that age? And just like, let yourself feel the feels right? Like, let yourself just totally be pissy about it. Not trying, like, I think that's a big part of my journey is like, I I shut stuff down for so long. Right? Like, was suppressed and just had was told, like, that's not a big deal like that. Right? Don't worry about that. I was actually told like, don't worry about that bear like. But, um, I forgot my train of thought here. Um, I was, like, we shove stuff down. And I think a big part of my healing is like, can you just can you just acknowledge that you might be feeling anxious, depressed, or pissed off? Like, total rage? And can you hold it for that space? I think we talked about this in episode one, too, where it's like, emotions are like 90 seconds. It's our attachment to them. And the stories that we make from them that make them last so much freakin longer, right? So can you just like tantrum and like this week, I don't even remember what it was about now. But like, I allowed myself just to sit with it. I think I spent like 10 minutes. And I was like, okay, I'm good. Like, instead of it just but I was holding on to it for days before. And then wait a minute, I just needed to do that. Like if I had done taking that 10 minutes four days ago? Would this have all like, could I have experienced that dopamine sooner. And
Speaker 1
we make it so much bigger than it needs to be? Because really, it was only 10 minutes. And that's what happens. I do the same thing. You and I have a very similar pattern in this way where it's like, whether we recognize it consciously or not. When we are not sharing what we're feeling when we have trouble moving through it. There's shame underneath that. There's shame and there's an unspoken judgment of ourselves that we're in that and shame always dissolves when it's seen and so just being open about it and being Like, hey, this is how I'm feeling. In fact, you did that the other day when you were just like, hey, I noticed that I'm avoiding reaching out to you. And I just wanted to tell you that I'm in a funk. And I feel like shit today, you know, and it's like, you didn't even need anything necessarily. You just wanted to be seen. And
Speaker 2
now, it's just like, I feel like a sister, right? So I think that's, that's
Speaker 1
really important is when we own that. And you allow yourself to hold that without making someone or something else wrong. Right? Even if they're objectively even if they're objectively wrong, and you can get 20 people to agree that this person is being a douchebag, right? It's like, okay, they might be a douchebag. Or they might be a shithead, which is what I call shift heads, right? Because they help us shift. See what I did there. But anyway, and so why don't we end up shifting like that, it gives us so much more self mastery, right, so much more self mastery. And this is the space from which you can create a reliable template for your relationships, for your role and relationships. Because this is the reason we're bringing up this, this stuff around normalcy and the nervous system together is because that template definition is going to be distorted by your nervous system patterns, if you're not willing to be with them. Because regulating the nervous system doesn't mean that we're all Zen and oming and calm and cool as a cucumber. Nothing ever activates us, it means that we are capable of holding the entire spectrum of emotions, that shows up regardless of what cycle we are in in our lives.
Speaker 2
That's the doubt that's the biggest shift. When I was talking about suppressing emotions, I really thought that that was a big nervous system shift for me, I believed that I could only feel the calm own Zen emotions. And anytime I didn't like if my children activated me or something else activated me that I was like, dysregulated. And it's like, no, like, that's the beautiful part. Like I can hold that emotion and I can, and I can come up with that template, right. And now I'm like, now I'm okay with raging and having a tantrum. Right. And obviously, there's still some part of me because I held on to it for a couple of days extra, right? There's still some some part of my template in my nervous system misalignment that neither misalignment and it's just that's where it is right now. Right. And it'll come, it'll come into harmony when it's meant to when I've learned that when I've integrated it when I've taken it and shifted it right. And I think
Speaker 1
I think what really helps me in that situation too. And really allows me I think it anchors me internally, instead of anchoring other people which is these, which are these dopamine hits we're talking about, or we're anchoring and other people and external validation and all this stuff for other people is this knowing that when these intense emotional responses come up, when these nervous system patterns come up, that I'm holding space for, I know what that is, like, I know that that's me shedding an old way, I know that that's me releasing an old pattern, and why so that I can open up space for a new one, so that I can elevate to receiving a higher level of possibility and opportunity. And that excites me, and that nourishes me. And that makes me feel proud of myself for being so receptive to welcoming in the next version of myself. And so I think that's a really really bolstering piece for me because it helps really release that, that judgment and that shame and that confusion and bring in the mind and and that attachment around what's wrong and what's happening. Like we don't have to attach stories and meaning to all this stuff. You can look at it as just a nervous system activation and I'm holding it and keep it that simple. You can look at it as I'm yay, bring it I am shedding baby, I am so ready. What do you got? For me? God, I can't wait to see what's common.
Speaker 2
I think that's what both of us and I think that's what both of us do for each other. We hope zoomin zoom out a little bit to be like, you're just chatting. Like, let's not make this into this big ridiculous story anymore. And it's it's interesting because I think that's where we we do go to external validation, if you will, like we go to those relationships to help us zoom out, but we're not. We're not going out to them for that. For the validation of the shame, or the guilt or whatever feeling or emotion we're feeling, we're going to those external things to help us expand our perspective and to see it in a different way and help us get out of I got to do this just to survive.
Speaker 1
It activates the shift. You know what it is it just activates the remembrance. It's a reminder of the remembrance of like who you really are at your core. And that's what we were talking about in episode one where it's like I can see your soul despite all the sauce that's going on around and you're human and it's been remember this is going on it's like right thank you and I don't need you to help me move through the guilt, the shame the all the things I don't need that All you need to be like is Laura, remember, zoom out? This is where you aren't. I'm like, right? Thank you. I've got this, right. And so it's just like when we talk about CO regulation and the nervous system, this is what can end up being dopamine hits is that it's like, you get that, but then it's also, but wait, but but I need you to help me with this, like, I, I can't do this by my right. And neither of us are in that victim II state. Neither of us are. And even if one of us says like, Dude, I don't know how I'm going to move through this. I know I will. But I don't know how. And sometimes we'll go a little further and say, I'll be like, Katie, go move your body, you know, or you'll be like, Laura, go into the Akash, you know, or whatever it is. And then but but we're still, we're still able to regulate independently. And that is so important you guys, because that's where we latch on to others. And we become even more patterned in seeking our own regulation from other people. And that is what triggers dopamine, which is the feel good chemical that makes us feel joyful. And then we get addicted to that. And we keep going back to it. And that's what we're used to, from the time that we were young. So it's nothing to shame yourself about. But it's just something to raise awareness about and be like, Yeah, okay, this is possible.
Speaker 2
Yeah, and we chase that dopamine. And so then when it's for some reason not present, say that, see that see that person that has given you those dopamine hits, those Joy feel good, is having their own off day, because they're also human, you make all of these stories back, we're like, something's wrong, I thought it must be me. This, it must be me,
Speaker 1
I must be bragging I love so freakin much that you just brought that up. Because I used to say that all the time. Like, yes, we co regulate and the way that we just discussed, where we just kind of reflect on or mirror each other in that way and just kind of catalyze, namely, our series is has the word catalyze in it, right, like using this to catalyze change. And so So I love that love that you brought this forward. Because I used to say this all the time, that like, human beings are not reliable sources of our joy of our ease of our calm, because human beings are cyclical creatures, every single one of us is even the most stable of us is this cyclical creature like we the only thing that's fully entirely consistently reliable is source itself, right. And so it's like, if you're putting all your eggs in that human basket and relying on external validation from your job from your boss, from your partner, or from your mother, from whatever it is, you're you're going to be, you're going to be in a space of dysregulation internally, because you're writing someone else's wave, or you're always at the mercy of somebody else's potential wave, right. And that's not the solidarity and the sustainability that we're looking for. And I think that's why it really comes down to, you know, being, right being a mastery of your own emotional experience, and being an ownership of your own emotional experience. And recognizing that if you're activated about something, it's because there's something within you, that desires to be seen. And I think this is this is similar to another piece that we wanted to talk about today, which is around, you know, that you can't love some be loved by someone else, until you love yourself, you know, and we're talking about this concept of, well, I have to wait to receive this like now. Now you're saying all this great, I have to come into emotional mastery, and really deeply love me and fully accept me before somebody else is going to be able to come in, and I can hold that. And that's not the case, both Katie and I think that's total bullshit. I've had this experience in my life where I've been deeply loved by someone else and love someone else very deeply. And they've helped me grow enormously when I didn't when I loathed myself. Yes, and other people can help us with that they can help catalyze change in us, they can temporarily hold space for us. But for that to be ongoing is what turns into codependency, which is actually what actually we're going to be talking about in our next episode.
Speaker 2
Yeah, and you know, Laura, I love this point, because it's like, that whole concept of loving yourself is constantly unfolding, right. And so when we think back to the template that we talked about earlier in this episode, that is constantly evolving, and it's going to bring in those people who can help grow and expand you and it's going to allow that, that ever changing love for yourself to continue to open. And you might get into those points where you feel more like you love yourself or you only are talking negatively about yourself and that is where you can use use. I use that word lightly. Right but we're the relationships in your life can help show you and remind you and going back to that remembrance Have your true, whole loving self. Right and, and when we can get back to that place of remembering that, that true soul love, it will help bring you back to that self love Journey.
Speaker 1
Because at the end of the day, we can go in and out of feeling like we love ourselves, right? Like we can go in and out of that. And that's a process. It's always unfolding for me, for all of us, it's always unfolding, and we're kind of gradually returning to this remembrance of who we are. And so the fact is, there's going to be people who love us, there's always going to be people who love us over the course of this lifetime, whether they're physically present with us or not, there's always going to be people who love us. And the fact is, it's recognizing that all the love that comes towards us from whatever source is always from source, its sources love coming through other people. And so it's like, what we don't want to necessarily latch on to, okay, well, this person, I need somebody to love me forever, and be able to love me through all iterations of myself. Because if that happens, great, that's amazing, right? Like, that's amazing, that you can go together, but it's also like, no pressure, you know, take the pressure off of that template that you're creating for yourself and realize, like, you're ever evolving, your love for yourself is ever evolving, you're gonna have dips that then end up in huge highs that are like, Oh my gosh, I've never loved myself this much ever before Holy crap, and then you're gonna have lows again, and then you're gonna go even higher than you went before. And so it's yeah, having people that can follow you through that, but not latching on to needing one person to follow you through that entire process and realizing that regardless of where you're receiving your love from, whether it's multiple sources, whether it's the same person data, it's always coming from source. And I think that when we look at it that way, then there's less pressure on these human relationships to provide us with what it is we feel we need to fulfill that template that we've created for ourselves.
Speaker 2
I really love that that redirection that it comes from source, right, it's in it's, that's where it's pure love, right? And when we can remember that it really comes from that place that can help re foster our inner thoughts, our inner critic, and I loved the other thing that you said just about it's ever unfolding, right? Like, there's going to be a point where you're gonna be like, yeah, I really love myself. And then something else is gonna like dip, right? And you're going to be like, Did I ever love myself? Well, you did at that level of consciousness, right? But now there's been some new shift, right? And so now it's loving yourself at this new level, or seeing a different part of you that you didn't see before. I feel like that's been a topic of us so much lately, where it's like, Hawk I didn't even like, know that that part needed to be seen in me, but it did. And, you know, once we start to see it, we kind of we can feel like we're going down a hill, and like that, we don't love ourselves. But once we allow it, that space to be seen, we actually do remember that remembrance, and just that we are whole and that we are loved, and that it is pure.
Speaker 1
Yeah, I love that concept of Yeah, realizing that that's, that's really the process with loving ourselves is loving ourselves more fully. It's not like you fall out of love with yourself with those depths, and then you come back, it's just that you, then you're getting to this higher level of consciousness, you're invited to love yourself even bigger Your God is expanding your capacity to love even bigger, loving yourself and loving other people. And with that more of you is going to be seen and it's like, okay, can you hold that too? Because you can, so when you're capable. So when it comes up, it's like, okay, can I see all of this in me, can I appreciate and love all of this and me. And that feels really, really yummy. And the other thing that you were talking about when you were reflecting like the source love coming through other people this was coming through around that was like this also helps your relationships become closer. Because yes, it takes the pressure off of them. But also, if you see that everything you receive from other people is from source, aren't you in deeper gratitude of everything that you receive from other people, and then allow yourself this is one of the most beautiful practices that people don't do enough. Allow yourself that when that person says I love you, or when that person says I care about your whatever it is they're offering to you. Give yourself space before you respond to get into a back and forth, to sit in it, to receive it to immerse in it to soak in it to bathe in it, right, because we don't let that sink in deeply enough. And then we go right back into that exchange. And then we're not anchoring it deeply within us, which is truly a reflection of that source energy that's just loving on us and expanding our capacity to love ourselves.
Speaker 2
I love that so much because I read that somewhere at one point and I was just like, it is that reaction time like we're just not used to. We need to practice receiving and that is one way that you can practice really easily is when somebody says I love you, you can take that source energy and And let that just like you just said, anchor it. And then you can move forward and respond. But we so often are just like, Oh, I love you too, right? And like, you might mean it. But can you take a moment to receive it first, let it get all like trickle into your cells, right? And then be able to say, I love you, right? Like to, to, to continue that exchange, right, but also to really receive it and that it's so good. It's like when somebody gives you a compliment. If you have nothing else to say, just say thank you. Right? Right. Like if I complimented I love your shirt today. And you're like, oh, this whole thing, right? No, what if you just said thank you, right? Like that is how one other way that you can just start to practice that receiving and help, help feel safe to be to be loved and to be seen.
Speaker 1
Yeah, to be seen 100%. And I think, yes, I love that. You're right, because that's what we're glossing over is being fully seen, we just jump right back into an exchange. And I think that it's that deep appreciation. Like, that's what I always shift great. Like, I don't just say when I journal, I don't say I'm grateful for I read, I deeply appreciate, like, I can feel this all the way in every cell in every bone, like, I am in deep appreciation of what you're reflecting to me and what you're offering to me. And actually, I know that this has nothing to do with you. I know this has nothing to do with you. This is actually you're just, you're a vessel for source energy. And so that's why I don't have to attach to this as a dopamine hit that you're going to provide this to me at all times. But I'm deeply appreciative of what you are offering me, because this is the other thing I've been in relationships with people that I've loved very deeply and haven't received that in return. And the fact is, like, there's a lot of people, many people in this world who can't receive, you can't offer back that level of love that I because I love big, I love really big. And so it's like, I can't expect that everybody's gonna return that in the same way. Right. And so it's also being able to just appreciate that when I deeply love those people. That feeling that I have is also enough for me, regardless of what I received from them, because that's allowing me to feel the deep love that I love feeling. And it's like that person is just simply acting as a mirror to refer to give me an opportunity to feel that level of love that I desire to feel Does that make sense?
Speaker 2
It makes total sense and and reminding yourself that that love is coming from source, right? Like, you know, you love big, but it is your connection to Source that allows that space and it is of course that mirror back to you to, to and it's more than just like returning that love to yourself. It's just that it it almost feels like like when when you were talking all I saw was like this beam of light. And as it like comes out from like this cone and like your third eye it like gets bigger and wider, but it hits that mirror at the widest point. And then it just bounces back at that state of whiteness, right? So it can almost feel like it's really narrow when it starts and you're like I just want to love this person. And as you're talking right it hits that mirror that person maybe probably can't receive it right and it just bounces back and in in its in its entirety it doesn't come back in that narrow state. I
Speaker 1
love that you just share that because that was something that my husband said to me a couple of weeks ago he was like you love so big. And he's like it's wild because when you love and somebody is willing to receive it you love more yes give more and so that's what you're talking about like it starts now but that's that's the vibration of love is that as we share it it expands and given love is never wasted, right like I can give to you and you can be like I'm not in a place to receive that today. But that's going to bounce off you and it's gonna either reflect back to me and expand and then it's going to expand extend into the universe right? Or it's going to bounce off you and somebody else is gonna like it's always given love is always received exponentially right and that's what my husband says he's like you are an exponential lover like you love and then somebody receives it and then you love bigger you know and he's it just expands and it compounds and I think that's that's the feeling that's the process that's happening when we're expanding this capacity to love ourselves so this was a bigger conversation than he even thought it was going to end up being around this but thank you guys for sticking with us and listening and we're always open to receiving your reflections you can reach out to us you can share this to your story and tag me at emerge healing & wellness are you can tag Katie is it the Katie white?
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Katie e white.
Speaker 1
That's what I thought I knew I was missing an E they can. White Yeah. So you can tag us on On Instagram or Facebook and just you know, or just reach out if you want to share a personal story but we're gonna be back next week with another episode talking about codependency. So obviously there's gonna be little overlaps in these episodes since we're talking about the same theme overall, but, um, definitely go back to listen to episode one. Stick with us and keep your eyes peeled for the next episode. Thank you so much for being here. And we will see you very soon. Bye friends
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