Laura 0:00
Welcome to divinely grounded a podcast inviting you into sacred presence for real time alchemy tether to this awe inspiring space of conscious conversation so you can be activated by the electric exchange of raw conscious relationship witness where you're being called to polish the edges of your discernment in relationship with yourself and with others.
Jenna 0:25
Join us as divinely grounded plants fresh seeds of possibility to discover the purity of your unfolding truth. Together, we will transmute everyday experience into profound growth. I'm Jenna Greengold, the conscious Alchemist,
Laura 0:40
and I'm Laura mazzotta, an Akashic therapist. Sit back, relax and receive as new insights. Enter your awareness during these illuminating conversations.
Jenna 0:57
Welcome to episode six of divinely grounded. I have a microphone and I feel sexy,
Laura 1:06
highly annoying. I'm sorry to all of you because I don't know how this is going to go. Oh, it's going to be fantastic. Okay, could you just dive into the topic, please?
Jenna 1:17
I want to piggyback off of Episode Five a bit and talk more about resonance. I mean, we've touched on resonance quite a bit in the past few episodes, and I think that we should just kind of dive in a little bit more, just on, you know, how do we discern what's resonant with us and what's really resonant with our programming, or what's resonant with someone around us, someone we how do we know we're not slipping into people pleasing, right? And feeling what's resonant in our our nervous system, as opposed to our soul, what's resonant with societal norms as opposed to us? So I just want to drop that as like a jumping off point.
Laura 1:56
How do you feel into that? Because for me, I feel into that it's a sensation. And when I get activated in one way or another, and when I say activated, I mean I'm feeling something, it could be irritation, it could be anxiety, it could be excitement, it could be elation, it could be a calm truth. Either way, I'm having a sensation that's arising within me as a result of either something that's happened in my world or even just a shift within. That could be even a mind story or something within, but it could still be from something outside of me, right? It because it could have been sourced from something outside of me, even though it came from within. It's like, is that narrative even mine? Right? So when I come into it, I think for the most part, when I get a sensation that comes forward, my first response is to just be present with it and just be a curious witness and be like, Okay, that's here, and sometimes it's going to be fleeting, and move through and it's not really going to warrant attention, and I don't really need to even get into this space of whether or not this is something to discern, right? Some energy is just fleeting, but I think when it sticks around, it's something to be present with, because It either means that we are meant to identify whether this is even ours, move it through our field, or come to a an understanding of the information that it's bringing us. Because if it is coming through our field, it's bringing us something us something, whether that's meant to be temporary or not. For me, I think that as you're listening to this, the number one tip I would give you is to pause, right like, insert a pause. Insert some space. Space is going to be your deepest medicine in this, because it's going to give you space to be present with this. It's going to delay any kind of reactivity. It's going to allow the energy space to move through, or it's going to give you the opportunity to come to greater discernment. And when the discernment comes through, for me, it's an intuitive knowing. When I ask you know, is this? How much of this is mine? It's an intuitive knowing. I'll just get an answer right, like a number, a percentage, that will pop up for me. And it's also like, if I need to just if I feel this itchiness about I gotta say something. I gotta say something that's coming from my nervous system, if it's right there, typically in the moment. And I think that when we even take 30 seconds of a pause, and we allow ourselves to recognize that this is truth, and we know that we're moving on truth. It's gonna come out from a measured, centered space. It's not gonna come out from a like, Oh, I gotta say this right? Like, there's no urgency from Soul truth. And it's funny, because we can feel urgency when our soul. Is, well, we can feel the pressure reversal as it moves us towards expressing what our truth is and what's really purely ours. But there's no timeline with that that's like you have to say this now. So how is this landing for you? I'm just randomly speaking about this.
Jenna 5:14
I like inserting a pause. I think that's important. I don't want to get into a space of fear, though, if we're talking about, you know, sharing something that's coming up, right? But I do think the pause is important to detach from whatever is coming up so that you can witness it from not a space of reactivity. But when it comes to resonance, I think it's important to not only allow yourself to be with the feeling like you were talking about, but witness it as a an observer, not as someone who almost like, I don't want to say detaching from because you want to be embodied, right, but you want to look at it from such a higher perspective. And the thing is, resonance shifts regardless. I mean, it might not shift in that moment, but resonance does shift. So what may be resonant for you right now may not be resonant for you tomorrow or in a few hours, but it's it's having that recognition. And I think that resonance for me is what feels expansive, what feels like a draw, what feels good, what feels not like it's satisfying. A nervous system tick in me, but satisfying the alignment in me, like the itch to come into place.
Laura 6:43
Yeah, it's like accepting that invitation to come into where you're being led. Like, it's like accepting that step into the stretch, which is why, when you said it feels good, sometimes it doesn't feel good, sometimes it can feel expansive, but it doesn't feel good, or it can feel good at the same time that it feels itchy, but we can still recognize that as expansive. And the other thing you were talking about was looking at it from a higher perspective. And I think what you're referring to when you're talking about discerning is not the resonance that can shift regardless, but the resonance that seems to be stickier we don't need to come from a I mean, listen, once we are in this consciousness space and adopt this higher perspective for a consistent period of time, then yes, we are going to be able to see moment to moment from a higher consciousness perspective what's arriving in our fields, like those intuitive hits I was talking about earlier. And we are able to have more presence when we give ourselves more space to come into this felt knowing within us. But the fact is, we don't have to intentionally detach ourselves and look at things from a higher perspective all the time, right? I think at least being intentional about that, I think that that's something that comes forward when we have something that is repetitive, or we have something that is sticky, or something that's really annoying us or creating a level of intensity that warrants our attention. And I think that's where sitting here and trying to figure out in the mind is not going to support us, it's going to be the answer is going to exist on a higher state of consciousness. And that's where we can feel into the body, as to is this feeling like it's constricting me? Is this feeling like it is keeping me small or trying to fit myself into a box, or trying to fit myself into an understanding of who I'm supposed to be or how I'm meant to be. Because I think really what comes what this episode comes down to, is what is my truth? Because when you truly know your truth, and you know the edges of you and you know what is you and what it's not, then you don't have to consciously or intentionally discern what's resonant or what's not, because you know the flavor of you, you can feel into that, right? And it's like, This doesn't taste like me. And so that is where I will then get curious, because when it doesn't taste like me, then I'm like, I'm not just immediately going to reject it, right? Because that's reactivity. Instead, I'm going to be curious about the fact that this presented in my field. Okay, this doesn't taste like me. Okay. Is this a stretch? Is this a space for me to taste more of myself? Or is this just not a resonant right now? And I think that's where you were talking about earlier, like it can be resonant now. It can be resonant in a week. It can be resonant in two weeks, right? Because our truth is always unfolding. We're always refining that. And I think that sometimes these things drop into our fields so that we can taste them, and sometimes it gives it just plants a little seed each time, right? And then that seed can grow, or that seed can bury itself under the soil and say, I'm out of here and leave from your field whenever it's ready,
Jenna 9:42
something I want to touch on that you said, I think it's important to not get into this heavy analysis of it, with everything that you are trying to figure out in your life, and just going back and forth into the analysis of resonance, because that'll drive you absolutely crazy. I think you're right. That it is those things that are sticky. And I think it's important to just feel into where you're led. Like, the most simple form of resonance is where you are drawn. Is it not or how do you see? Oh, you face. How do you see that?
Laura 10:14
Say that again,
Jenna 10:16
the most simple form of resonance is where you're drawn.
Laura 10:19
No.
Jenna 10:21
you don't think it magnetizes you. Like that?
Laura 10:22
It does magnetize you, but the most simple form of resonance is where you be. Because when you're in presence with-
Jenna 10:33
that feels, that feels constricting in my body.
Laura 10:35
Why? Oh I like this. Let's be with this. Tell me about this.
Jenna 10:39
I don’t know but that feels constricting in my body
Laura 10:42
because you like to move because you're a fucking Mani-Gen
Jenna 10:47
I need to do things. Exactly. but I feel like being still, isn't I guess, resonance for me, because I always want to be moving and doing and shifting and changing and whatever. But I guess that stillness is being with your soul, right? And listening to that so is the most simple form of resonance, just being with you.
Laura 11:09
That’s my perspective, and I think this is a perfect example for what we're talking about here is, how do you how do you discern whether that constriction that's coming up within you, around that concept is yours? Is that your programming? Is that from someone around you? Is that people pleasing? Is that societal, or is that your truth?
Jenna 11:31
When you say where you be, what do you mean?
Laura 11:36
How you vibrate as you exist within yourself.
Jenna 11:40
See, I can resonate more, huh. Resonate more. I can resonate more with that. I think when I hear where you be, I think instantly I'm in my human and I'm like, Oh, my environment. And I'm like, Ooh, no constriction.
Laura 11:52
So there's a level of detachment there between you and your environment, absolutely.
Jenna 11:57
Oh, that was fun. Look at how that came.
Laura 12:01
Which is why I would ask, too, where you're in resistance to your environment, because it's a part of you. It's what you've chosen right now. How can you come into greater resonance with your environment or with with your own being, in a richer vibration of you within the current environment that you have chosen.
Jenna 12:22
What's coming up for me around this is, is it what I've chosen, or is it where I've defaulted to?
Laura 12:29
It’s still a choice, default or not, it's still a choice. That's true because you are a choice maker.
Jenna 12:36
Yeah, at any time we can decide differently.
Laura 12:39
Correct. So it's also, this is when we're talking about discernment with what's resonant with us. Are you having a recognition that you've made choices that are not in resonance with who you currently are, that you've made choices that have not been in resonance, which you may not have recognized at the time because you were not as conscious of them, you were not as embodied as you are now, and if you in this recognition, make a decision to do differently you do, and if not, then you're still making a choice to remain where you are, which means that you're then in that place of choosing to be in resonance with yourself regardless of environment.
Jenna 13:17
But when we do that, are we shifting our true resonance into just merging it, like merging it with this concept of duty,
Laura 13:27
sometimes duty is part of service. It can still see, and I think this is where people get confused about what's in resonance, because, well, it doesn't feel good. I get it, but that could still be part of your service, where your soul is guiding you to serve at this time. So you can say it's not resonant when actually it is resonant with your soul. Your human just doesn't like it and it's having a tantrum. Yeah? So I think that really the question here, too is also just finding discernment between your soul and your human, which is not just nervous system reactivity, like you were talking about earlier.
Jenna 14:02
Do you think that part of our embodiment and becoming here in space is reconciling that resonance, bringing the resonance of your soul into the resonance of your human and vice versa?
Laura 14:18
I think that is ideal. I think that not everybody is meant to be or anything. Everybody's invited into that in their own way, but everybody's pathway there is different, and some of it may be conscious for some people, and some of it may not be that that's what they're doing. But the fact is, I believe that every soul incarnated for a purpose an actualization of a purpose, a forwarding of that soul's journey, regardless of what that looks like on this planet. And I think that the perfect example of this is a lot of the polarity that just exists right now. And I think that a lot of people are saying, well, that doesn't resonate. These people are not having conversations that I. Are resonant with with my opinion or my perspective, and therefore I am not going to place myself into those environments. And it's like, well, that might not feel good to you, but is it part of your soul's purpose? Does it resonate for your soul to be in a space that feels uncomfortable to you, but where you are meant to share your truth? Because I think a lot of people shy away from environments and conversations and situations that don't, quote, unquote, feel resonant, when actually it's an escape mechanism, because they're scared as fuck to say what they feel, because of the backlash or because it, you know. And obviously, if it's a safety issue, that's different thing. But yeah, I mean, I think that this is a perfect example of people staying comfortable because they think that this doesn't resonate. I'm like, stop using that shit as an excuse. Does it truly not resonate? Because some people, it truly does not resonate. Let's fully support that. And for some people, it's like a holy shit. I'm scared as hell.
Jenna 15:56
Yeah. Like, where's the discernment between this truly doesn't resonate with me, and I'm just afraid to be I'm just afraid to actually be resonant with my soul. And that's guidance.
Laura 16:08
I think that's part of where the draw comes in that you were talking about, where you're still being pulled to it, even though you're uncomfortable, correct? And I also think that's where the that's where desire comes in as well. If there's something that you consistently desire, it's just like when you know you feel consistently drawn to something, and it scares the crap out of you, but you're also really, really excited at the same time, because you're just like, oh my god, I just know I want to try this. Like everybody knows that feeling like going on a fucking roller coaster like this, scares the shit out of me, but I know that I want to jump on this coaster. You know what? I mean? It's that kind of feeling. It's that excitement plus hesitation that kind of comes into the mix that, you know, you're being stretched at the same time that you are, you know, listening to to the tug and going with what feels good. So, yeah, it feels good. And you're being stretched. So it's when both are in place that, you know, you're moving that direction. That doesn't mean that's your direction. Like that could mean a dip your toe in, like we talked about in episode one, you know, that could be be like a dip your toe in. Thing, it doesn't mean that it has to be a forever decision. I think patience is a big piece here, too. I can say this to whoever's listening. If you're not somebody who does take consistent space, or hasn't, at least up until this point, to be with your soul, to be with your unique energy, then that is something that I would invite you to do, because they think that we can make quicker decisions, we can make clear decisions and have greater discernment on this when we've had enough space and time with our souls to be able to know that draw. But I think that if you have not had that space, then I can pretty much guarantee you you're going to be bypassing the real nudge and the real draw that's coming from deep down, because you're avoiding being in present space with your soul. And that doesn't mean stillness, like Jenna was talking about earlier, sometimes present spaces your soul is walking around in nature. You know, you don't have to be somebody who can tolerate stillness to be able to develop a relationship with your soul. Like, it's not like that's the only way to get there, right? But I also think it needs to be intentional. And I think that you, if you've walked around in nature, and you're a hiker and you're somebody who spends a lot of time in that space, but you don't sit in quiet meditation in your home or somewhere else, I guarantee you you felt spirit. I guarantee you felt Spirit moving through you, activating you, being resonant within you, in your center. So, so it's really important to delineate that, because that is, it's a way that people can easily bypass being in that space with themselves and saying, Well, yeah, I get excited about this and I'm scared. So it's a yes, well, you can kind of get to that point after you've already cultivated a relationship with yourself. Does that make sense?
Jenna 19:06
Yeah. And meditation isn't always stillness at all. It's connection, yeah, yeah. And it's just done differently by the type of person you are.
Laura 19:15
And where you are in your journey. Because I used to sit in hour and a half long meditations. I used to do them guided. Then I would do them with music, then I did them in silence. I would sometimes do it for 10 minutes, sometimes for an hour, sometimes for two hours. My meditations look different every single time I do them. Sometimes it's holding my daughter's hand in quiet and connecting and just calling in spirit. Sometimes it's listening to relaxing music and sitting back and closing my eyes. Sometimes it's going out in nature. Sometimes it's sitting with my animals and holding them in silence, in peace, and being fully present, but calling in an energy that is higher than us, right? And so I think that it depends on where you are on your journey and how much you've really called. This as a true foundation of how you operate as a human being. So I think your discernment is very dependent on your level of embodiment, and this is not a hierarchy, but I think that it's a curious question to ask yourself as to how deeply have I received the invitation to immerse into every aspect of my being, my physic, my physiology, my cellular structure, my energy, my soul, my chakra centers, my inner child, like and that you don't have to go to all of them. Not everybody's drawn to all of them, but it's like, Where have you been invited and checked the box? But not really sunken in and fully saturated this to its fullest completion.
Jenna 20:48
It's a muscle. Yep, it's a muscle. Just like intuition. How much do you intentionally work with it? Allow it to work in you and just give it that space.
Laura 21:01
I love that so much when you said to allow it to work in you, because I think that discernment can become an efforting. We think it's an efforting, something we have to figure out, something we need to discern with the mind, when actually we can just receive the discernment of the energy that is working through us and within us that is already informed and informing us and trusting it. Can we hear it? Yeah. Can we trust it? Can we feel it? And that's where that spaciousness comes in,
Jenna 21:29
yeah. And that's where resonance arrives. That's where it's illuminated.
Laura 21:33
And I want to be very frank here that there are still situations where I find myself after the fact recognizing that something isn't resonant, or my mind will start to run because I get anxious or I get confused or I get irritable, and my mind starts to run. And then after I go through my little tantrum, or whatever it is in my head or on paper or with a loved one, I'm like, wait a second, this isn't even mine, right? And so sometimes it does take a bit of a tantrum, sometimes it does take a bit of a diving into it. And it's not always about this. Okay, I am the wisest sage who clearly knows. Sometimes we know after the fact or in the midst of it, but what I can say is that that discernment will improve little by little, or a lot by a lot, depending on how deeply you dive in. And I will also say that depending on the area of your life and your soul's contract and like what you're meant to be, kind of coming into clarity around at the time is deeply important, because I may have resonance on something immediately, that that's a contract within my soul's decision to be here in this lifetime that is ready to be complete. And then there's one that I'm still like not resolving, feeling like I've resolved or can't get that clear discernment on over and over again. And we've, we've talked about this before too, right about like being in spaces that kind of fortify our patterns and our cycles, right? So you can refer back to that if you want, but, but, yeah, I mean, I think it's also recognizing that our discernment is can be sharper in some scenarios than others, and we can get better and better at that as we continue to work this muscle, like you were talking about, but I also want us to recognize that there are some areas that we are meant to continue to kind of develop more endurance around, and we don't necessarily know why that is, like we could be doing it because we're meant to help somebody else on that path that is coming our way that we don't know. Yeah, I think I just want to wrap it up with this concept of dipping your toe in, like we talked about earlier, when it comes to discernment in different areas,
Jenna 23:47
yeah, letting yourself experience
Laura 23:50
Yeah and just experiment. And doesn't have to be heavy. Sometimes you need to taste it to feel that resonance. And I think that I know that as you continue to connect, as we've discussed, with your your soul's resonance, you're going to feel clearer and clearer, like what matches that texture and what doesn't. And I would encourage you, when you come into that knowing of your soul's resonance, jot it down. It feels soft, it feels calm, it feels clear, it feels centered, or it feels jazzed, it feels fiery, like what does it feel like? And that would be a question I would ask yourself on a fairly regular basis, because your awareness of the sensation of your soul is going to keep enhancing, and that can be a guidepost for you.
Jenna 24:40
I think that it's important to really just feel into yourself. And I do think that resonance feels ultimately good. And I say that because it's the recognition of the choice, it's the recognition of choosing to follow or choosing to be.
Laura 24:57
That feels right. Yeah.
Jenna 25:00
Yes. So that's where that feeling comes in. Of saying, you know, resonance feels good. It feels good because it's reconciling something within you.
Laura 25:07
I like that. It's an honoring. Yes, I like that a lot. Because even when we talked earlier about like looking at things from a higher perspective, that's still kind of using the mind and looking at something, you can still feel into consciousness from a higher perspective and and feel into that match, but I think what you're saying feels really on point. All right. Thank you for listening to this, everyone and let us know what pinged your field when you received this because you look so pensive. I feel like each of us got pinged in so many different areas as we had this conversation that's going to create so many offshoots, and this is a very multi layered conversation, so receiving your feedback as to where you are with this and kind of what jumped forward for you would be a very cool way to play with this energy. So thank you for joining us, and we'll see you on episode seven of divinely grounded. Bye for now you.
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